The most powerful Mormon

[blazerb]

In the aftermath of the $100 billion revelation, I was listening to the Mormon Happy Hour podcast's take on it. Colleen Dietz talks with Ryan McKnight about what it all means. It was pretty good and can be found here: http://angelsonfire.org/mhh94-hot-takes ... o-the-irs/. At one point, McKnight talked about powerful persons in non-profit organizations. He pointed out that the most powerful person in a non-profit is not always the CEO. It is usually the person who makes the most money, because they are compensated for skills that no one else has. He questioned whether RMN is really running things with his midnight revelations.

I am also influenced by Douglas Adams' insight in the Hitchhiker's Guide: the purpose of the presidency is not to wield power, but rather to distract attention away from it. It made me wonder who is the most powerful Mormon? I think the highest paid church employee is probably the BYU football coach. I'm going to disregard that. He may be important for the image of the church, but I doubt he influences policy in any important way.

So any ideas, who is the most powerful Mormon? Would we even recognize his name? I'm using masculine pronouns because I think it's most likely a male. Could the church be structured so that no one but RMN has access to all the information so he really is the most powerful in the organization? I know about the corporation sole, but I'm not sure that is everything. RMN may still rely on the bureaucracy to keep it all under control (at least until he has his Death Star up and going. ).

[iwanttotalk]

So any ideas, who is the most powerful Mormon? Would we even recognize his name? I'm using masculine pronouns because I think it's most likely a male.

Nah your using masculine pronouns because in every language in the world the masculine pronouns are gender nuetral. You may argue these anachronism are odd in english but they are not gone. We say mankind not humankind. Maybe the childless lesbian feminist bull dikes may one day erase the last vestiges of difference between men and women rendering us all unisex androgenous freaks but until then why are you apologizing for properly using language the way every other country in the world not controlled by psychotic cultural dictators does?

Who is the most powerful mormon?

Theyre not mormon at all. They are the people who tell you that he is not proper syntax when using gender neutral terminology, and then write books with she/her as the gender neutral fallback.

Its been known for a long time that the “prophet” is usually to old and senile to effectively run things. It therefore falls on the younger people in the org. And anyone who unilaterally controls the pursestrings on 100 billion is effectively in control.

I would think of it like howard Hughes who was in his later years almost entirely under the power of the mormon mafia who sacked his old guard generals and would drug him unconcious/relocate him and make him do whatever they told him. It is odd they never managed to transfer effective control of the business/money to themselves especially considering his fortune was placed into a trust to be executed upon his death but....

I would imagine that kind of circumstance could easily be the case. Old people are easily tricked and decieved. In spite of their proclamations anyone over 70 really shouldnt be in charge of anything. And they are all over 70.

They may not control ‘mormonism’ the church they do control the power the church has.

[moksha]

I would imagine the Presiding Bishop would be the highest-paid official since he is the CFO.

[Emower]

Given that nothing happened under monsons watch and a crap ton has happened under Russel Nelson's watch indicates that he probably is running things, policy wise. The person who influences how money is used is likely the presiding bishop. He would probably be the person beat positioned to say "we shouldn't do that" or "we should do x" given the long term goals of the church.

[Hagoth]

I'm using masculine pronouns because I think it's most likely a male.

I'm pretty sure Wendy is female.

[Hagoth]

I often get the impression that there is a committee made up of senior quorum members, Kirton and McKonkie lawyers, high level accountants, and PR executives who make the big decisions. Only once the question is formulated and the proper outcome proposed do the Q15 sequester themselves in the upper room and vote to receive spiritual confirmation of it. The voting is always done in order of seniority, which means that Nelson and Oaks make it clear to lesser apostles how they are expected to vote. If the vote goes as the committee intended the Sacred Notary puts the Jesus Christ Stamp O' Approval on it. If not, we never hear about it.

So I guess I'm saying It's primarily Nelson and Oaks acting on behalf if the power committee, but occasionally going a little rogue based on their own pet peeves and hierarchical influence.

If Nelson had it his way I suspect he would disperse the committee and opt for a monarchical peevocracy with Wendy in the roll of CSO (Chief Spin-doctoring Officer).

[2bizE]

Who are the most powerful Mormons? I'm not sure, but I have a few ideas:
1) LDS in house counsel. This is the head attorney who manages legal assignments.
2) L. Whitney Clayton: he is the church Hitman. Think Porter Rockwell. He does the church dirty work. He knows the worst church secrets.
3) LDS CEO: there actually is a CEO ofer the church. You never hear his name, but when the president of the church has surgery and goes under anesthesia, the CEO is given full authority over the church.

[wtfluff]

3) LDS CEO: there actually is a CEO ofer the church. You never hear his name, but when the president of the church has surgery and goes under anesthesia, the CEO is given full authority over the church.

So the president is not the CEO? Where are you getting such info?

[blazerb]

I often get the impression that there is a committee made up of senior quorum members, Kirton and McKonkie lawyers, high level accountants, and PR executives who make the big decisions. Only once the question is formulated and the proper outcome proposed do the Q15 sequester themselves in the upper room and vote to receive spiritual confirmation of it. The voting is always done in order of seniority, which means that Nelson and Oaks make it clear to lesser apostles how they are expected to vote. If the vote goes as the committee intended the Sacred Notary puts the Jesus Christ Stamp O' Approval on it. If not, we never hear about it.

So I guess I'm saying It's primarily Nelson and Oaks acting on behalf if the power committee, but occasionally going a little rogue based on their own pet peeves and hierarchical influence.

If Nelson had it his way I suspect he would disperse the committee and opt for a monarchical peevocracy with Wendy in the roll of CSO (Chief Spin-doctoring Officer).

I love the word "peevocracy." It describes RMN's midnight inspiration well.

It appears that some of the senior Q15 are left out especially if they are not expected to get to the top spot. I am thinking of BKP being unable to get info on Ensign Peak. I would suspect that Oaks and Nelson are often just messengers from that power committee. I have a tough time thinking they understand why some of the changes are helpful. I also suspect that most on the power committee knew that the whole "Mormon is a victory for Satan" thing was nonsense, but they decided that RMN was never going to let it drop. They've done their best to limit the impact, apparently. I am getting a ton of ads for mormon.org this month.

[2bizE]

I thought this article was a bit funny...
Says Nelson was not expected to make any changes with the church.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... ncna838216

[2bizE]

3) LDS CEO: there actually is a CEO ofer the church. You never hear his name, but when the president of the church has surgery and goes under anesthesia, the CEO is given full authority over the church.

So the president is not the CEO? Where are you getting such info?

Sorry, I was thinking there was a CEO, but what I was thinking of was the CFO.
When the president is having surgery, as corporation sole, he hands the keys to the billions over to a guy. Here are some documents about this...

http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2 ... e.html?m=1

[wtfluff]

3) LDS CEO: there actually is a CEO ofer the church. You never hear his name, but when the president of the church has surgery and goes under anesthesia, the CEO is given full authority over the church.

So the president is not the CEO? Where are you getting such info?

Sorry, I was thinking there was a CEO, but what I was thinking of was the CFO.
When the president is having surgery, as corporation sole, he hands the keys to the billions over to a guy. Here are some documents about this...

http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2 ... e.html?m=1

I'm pretty sure that it's stated in the Articles of Incorporation that you linked, that the president of the quorum of the 12 takes over all the responsibilities for the CEO/President in the event of surgery, incapacitation, etc. I don't think the responsibilities of the CFO change at that point, he just takes orders from a different boss.

[moksha]

I would imagine the Presiding Bishop would be the highest-paid official since he is the CFO.

Yeah, knowing all the numbered bank accounts in various countries and whose children got to take which trip on those bottomless credit cards would give the Presiding Bishop and his top accounting elders in the Corporation of the Presiding Bishopric quite a bit of power. "He who knows where the skeletons are rattling sweeps a big broom."

[Apologeticsislying]

Jesus. Its definitely Jesus is the most powerful Mormon. Last year I actually had a member, who is supposed to be one of the more knowledgable ones actually, tell me that Jesus was the first Mormon, and he wasn't Jewish! I.......uh..........well, I mean when they bear their testimony to truth it IS overpowering, yes?

[Hagoth]

Jesus. Its definitely Jesus is the most powerful Mormon. Last year I actually had a member, who is supposed to be one of the more knowledgable ones actually, tell me that Jesus was the first Mormon, and he wasn't Jewish! I.......uh..........well, I mean when they bear their testimony to truth it IS overpowering, yes?

Wait a minute. Adam was the first Mormon. Jesus was a latecomer; the meridian of Mormonism. Solomon already had the the handshakes and throat slashes waaaay before Jesus. But Jesus could definitely kick all of their butts if we're talking about powerful Mormons. Mitt Romney ALMOST came in at a close 2nd. He would have been the first Mormon with nuclear launch codes (although I'm pretty sure Jesus knows them too).