What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Reuben » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:19 pm

Weird. Where I live in the UK, people don't seem to be panic-hoarding. This evening, the canned goods aisle and boxed milk section at Tesco were sparse, but that seems to be it. People are just being cautious.

We mostly get our groceries delivered, which is a huge thing here. Preparation for self-isolating has consisted of getting 25% more in the deliveries than usual for the last few weeks. Grocery deliveries will keep going even in quarantine conditions, though. There are protocols in place for delivering to a house with infected inhabitants.

The government isn't going to close the schools until the virus peaks, to keep from depressing the economy more than necessary and to reduce self-isolation fatigue. There are plans to expand hospital capacities if necessary. On the BBC web site, every coronavirus article is accompanied by a smart infographic on slowing the spread, what to do if you think you're infected, or what stage we're at in the response and what happens next. The general strategy for dealing with an epidemic that's being enacted now has been developed over the last decade.

I'm an American, but damn, if feels pretty good to be English today.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by wtfluff » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:33 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:23 pm
wtfluff wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:42 pm
I'm positive that the lower-priesthood-magick-incantation of for sacrament in no way has power to penetrate though plastic packaging. Not even the plastic bags over the bread. Sorry.
I will need to see chapter and verse on that! You remove the lid from the oil to let it any excess priesthood power dissipate. That's the higher priesthood, mind you, so too much of it in a small container could build up pressure and cause an explosion. I'm sure there's a faith-promoting story somewhere of WWI saint-soldiers making holy hand grenades in this manner.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Thoughtful » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:23 pm

Reuben wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:19 pm
Weird. Where I live in the UK, people don't seem to be panic-hoarding. This evening, the canned goods aisle and boxed milk section at Tesco were sparse, but that seems to be it. People are just being cautious.

We mostly get our groceries delivered, which is a huge thing here. Preparation for self-isolating has consisted of getting 25% more in the deliveries than usual for the last few weeks. Grocery deliveries will keep going even in quarantine conditions, though. There are protocols in place for delivering to a house with infected inhabitants.

The government isn't going to close the schools until the virus peaks, to keep from depressing the economy more than necessary and to reduce self-isolation fatigue. There are plans to expand hospital capacities if necessary. On the BBC web site, every coronavirus article is accompanied by a smart infographic on slowing the spread, what to do if you think you're infected, or what stage we're at in the response and what happens next. The general strategy for dealing with an epidemic that's being enacted now has been developed over the last decade.

I'm an American, but damn, if feels pretty good to be English today.
Fascinating. I'm hearing anger from other UK friends who feel the PM is basically resigned to letting the weak die and then moving on, in the name of herd immunity.

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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Hagoth » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:31 am

Reuben wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:19 pm
Weird. Where I live in the UK, people don't seem to be panic-hoarding. This evening, the canned goods aisle and boxed milk section at Tesco were sparse, but that seems to be it. People are just being cautious.
Maybe the Brits don't thrive on drama to the degree Americans do.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Reuben » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:54 am

Hagoth wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:31 am
Reuben wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:19 pm
Weird. Where I live in the UK, people don't seem to be panic-hoarding. This evening, the canned goods aisle and boxed milk section at Tesco were sparse, but that seems to be it. People are just being cautious.
Maybe the Brits don't thrive on drama to the degree Americans do.
Oh, I don't know. They got Big Brother the same time we did, and their tabloids are hilariously histrionic.

I would say stoicism and orderliness are strong cultural values. English people in particular will automatically queue up when a large group has to wait for something. "Keep a stiff upper lip" came from here.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Red Ryder » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:10 am

moksha wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:05 pm
moksha wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:29 pm
1,663 right now.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
Current US total 2,726. Cases in Utah 10.
Thanks for posting these moksha.

It will be over 6k in 3 days then 12k by next week. This is serious stuff. Reality is there’s probably more untested people walking around with would be confirmed cases if the US was testing.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Reuben » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:14 am

Thoughtful wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:23 pm
Reuben wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:19 pm
Weird. Where I live in the UK, people don't seem to be panic-hoarding. This evening, the canned goods aisle and boxed milk section at Tesco were sparse, but that seems to be it. People are just being cautious.

We mostly get our groceries delivered, which is a huge thing here. Preparation for self-isolating has consisted of getting 25% more in the deliveries than usual for the last few weeks. Grocery deliveries will keep going even in quarantine conditions, though. There are protocols in place for delivering to a house with infected inhabitants.

The government isn't going to close the schools until the virus peaks, to keep from depressing the economy more than necessary and to reduce self-isolation fatigue. There are plans to expand hospital capacities if necessary. On the BBC web site, every coronavirus article is accompanied by a smart infographic on slowing the spread, what to do if you think you're infected, or what stage we're at in the response and what happens next. The general strategy for dealing with an epidemic that's being enacted now has been developed over the last decade.

I'm an American, but damn, if feels pretty good to be English today.
Fascinating. I'm hearing anger from other UK friends who feel the PM is basically resigned to letting the weak die and then moving on, in the name of herd immunity.
Ah, Boorish Johnson, the British Trump-lite. What is it with asses and creeps getting power?

People on all sides are still really sore about Brexit, and a lot of Johnson's current opponents hated him long before he was PM. Among the UK left, he and his government can do nothing right. I don't think he has the influence over the UK's response that some ascribe. He's more like a scapegoat or an annoying pressure valve. Someone you can righteously love to hate, like Trump.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Hagoth » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:53 pm

moksha wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:05 pm
moksha wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:29 pm
1,663 right now.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
Current US total 2,726. Cases in Utah 10.
The China curves are encouraging. The Recovered curve continues to climb while the Total Deaths curve is flattening.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Thoughtful » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:45 pm

My workplace just shut down for 3+ weeks. I'm "on call" and a meeting on Tues. Paid vacation, basically rn.

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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by MoPag » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:18 am

Hagoth wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:35 am
2bizE wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:14 pm
I immediately went to Costco and bought all toilet paper and bottles water they had...
I went to Costco and did sacrament blessings on all of the bottled water and loaves of bread, just to make sure everybody was covered. Then I'll go back on Sunday and get some stuff for myself.
I changed my mind. I'm totally looking forward to the first F and T meeting back in church, because I'm going to bear my testimony about this.^^^^ :lol: :lol:
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by moksha » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:26 am

moksha wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:05 pm
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

Current US total 2,726. Cases in Utah 10.
3,774 cases in the US. 28 in Utah.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by moksha » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:29 am

Hagoth wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:53 pm
The China curves are encouraging.
Yes, as long as that means China did not just give up on reporting new cases.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Hagoth » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:37 am

Just a reminder: the common flu has killed 46,000 Americans so far this season. With the current mindset, people would be exchanging gunfire with their neighbors over toilet paper if coronavirus deaths were anywhere near those numbers. So far the only first-hand accounts of violence I have heard were fist fights over toilet paper, and that's in Utah where no one has died from coronavirus. Meanwhile 1500 Utahns (based on recent statistics) will have died this season from the flu/pneumonia.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by moksha » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:20 pm

moksha wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:26 am
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

3,774 cases in the US. 28 in Utah.
4,661 cases in the US. 39 in Utah.
Hagoth wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:37 am
Just a reminder: the common flu has killed 46,000 Americans so far this season. With the current mindset, people would be exchanging gunfire with their neighbors over toilet paper...
In addition to toilet paper, Americans have been stockpiling guns and ammo.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Hagoth » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:56 pm

moksha wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:20 pm
In addition to toilet paper, Americans have been stockpiling guns and ammo.
I suspect that a roll of toilet paper makes a passable silencer.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Red Ryder » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:00 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:37 am
Just a reminder: the common flu has killed 46,000 Americans so far this season. With the current mindset, people would be exchanging gunfire with their neighbors over toilet paper if coronavirus deaths were anywhere near those numbers. So far the only first-hand accounts of violence I have heard were fist fights over toilet paper, and that's in Utah where no one has died from coronavirus. Meanwhile 1500 Utahns (based on recent statistics) will have died this season from the flu/pneumonia.
I don’t think this comparison is valid considering we don’t know the full extent of the coronavirus “season”. This seems more contagious and is spreading faster. Has the world ever been shut down before for the flu?

The asymptomatic people can carry and infect others at high rates that impact the elderly.

This seems drastically different. Utah could see 1500+ people die from this before April 30th if the numbers follow the curve. Hopefully people there can quarantine and shelter down.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Hagoth » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:29 pm

You're right, but I hear so many people acting like this is the bubonic plague I have taken it upon myself to sprinkle little reminders here and there.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by FiveFingerMnemonic » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:55 pm

I don't know what age this photo of Elder Holland shopping at Costco in sunglasses is, but the commentary sure is funny:

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/messa ... d=23354888

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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by wtfluff » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:39 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:09 pm
StarbucksMom wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:24 pm
My son sent me this, it’s pretty chilling. Joe Rogan had an infectious disease specialist on his show, this is a 15 min excerpt. I listened/watched with my husband and a few of my kids. I think we are unprepared in the US.
A friend sent me that link. At the end Joe's guest says he's going to spend the rest of the show talking about all of the reasons not to be scared, but the clip ends there. ...
The entire discussion with Joe Rogan and Michael Osterholm is available, but Mr. Osterholm doesn't ever really focus on reasons not to be scared, except that he says that people need to focus on the facts.

Entire disucssion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw




Another discussion with Michael Osterholm which is more concise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1xBiBVH7U4

His conclusion in that clip is: Take care of each other.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Hagoth » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:56 pm

Ok, just one more trip to Costco and I think I'll be set for toilet paper
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