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You just have to understand his comments in the context of scripture.
Alma 48: 17-18
Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Donald Trump, behold, the very powers of democracy would have been shaken forever; yeah, truth would never have power over the hearts of the children of men.
Behold, he was a man like unto Noah, the son of Zeniff, and even the priests of King Noah, yea, and also Cain and his sons, for they were all men of dishonesty, deceit, and selfishness.
At least, that's how Lee remembers it.
Well, I'm better than dirt! Ah, well... most kinds of dirt; not that fancy store-bought dirt; that stuff is loaded with nutrients. I can't compete with that stuff. -Moe Sizlack
græy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:39 am
You just have to understand his comments in the context of scripture.
Alma 48: 17-18
Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Donald Trump, behold, the very powers of democracy would have been shaken forever; yeah, truth would never have power over the hearts of the children of men.
Behold, he was a man like unto Noah, the son of Zeniff, and even the priests of King Noah, yea, and also Cain and his sons, for they were all men of dishonesty, deceit, and selfishness.
At least, that's how Lee remembers it.
Ha! The original version of that "used to be" one of my favorite fictional passages.
Your new version, græy, is so brilliant... Well, I might have to print it out and tape it to my mirror.
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. -Frater Ravus
"The truth is elegantly simple. The lie needs complex apologia. 4 simple words: Joe made it up. It answers everything with the perfect simplicity of Occam's Razor. Every convoluted excuse withers." - Some guy on Reddit called disposazelph
Having read the Book of Mormon, and Nibley's essay on Freeman and Kingman in the Book of Mormon, I missed the parts of the story where Captain Moroni paid off mistresses, separated children from refugee parents as deterrent, hired corrupt and ignorant people to undermine the government, flattered and schmoozed tyrants, stacked the courts, deregulated environmental and financial protections, sought to gut healthcare, refused to personally go down to battle himself (bone spur deferments), denigrated science, undermined relationships with close allies, cut both taxes and accountability for the rich, demonized immigrants and refugees, pressured Ukraine to provide smears of his legitimate political opponents, had his science office declare victory over a pandemic at the same time that infections set new record highs and leading all nations in deaths by a shocking margin, demonstrating in every divisive superspreader rally that he cares nothing for the blood of his people, and lied constantly and shamelessly.
I think the Church needs to speak up before Lee requests that Trump be placed alongside the Christus statue in the Visitor's Center.
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
-- Moksha
When an honest man discovers he is mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or cease to be honest. -anon
The belief that there is only one truth, and that oneself is in possession of it, is the root of all evil in the world. -Max Born
moksha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:43 pm
I think the Church needs to speak up before Lee requests that Trump be placed alongside the Christus statue in the Visitor's Center.
Or...
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Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. -Frater Ravus
moksha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:43 pm
I think the Church needs to speak up before Lee requests that Trump be placed alongside the Christus statue in the Visitor's Center.
Or...
MORONi-Trump.jpg
I think that was a different Moroni...
Stands next to Kolob, called by the Egyptians Oliblish, which is the next grand governing creation near to the celestial or the place where God resides; holding the key of power also, pertaining to other planets; as revealed from God to Abraham
moksha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:43 pm
I think the Church needs to speak up before Lee requests that Trump be placed alongside the Christus statue in the Visitor's Center.
Or...
MORONi-Trump.jpg
I think that was a different Moroni...
Meh. True Believers won't care...
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. -Frater Ravus
Well, I'm better than dirt! Ah, well... most kinds of dirt; not that fancy store-bought dirt; that stuff is loaded with nutrients. I can't compete with that stuff. -Moe Sizlack
Captain Moroni would have never referred to the fallen Stripling Warriors as "a bunch of losers" as Trump did to the American veterans buried in France.
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
-- Moksha
Mormorrisey wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:51 am
I thought this tweet from Will Swenson was great:
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Perfect!
All joking aside, the Church really should have spoken out about one of their religious figures being co-opted by an idiot politician. But hey, if the Church is OK with it, before long every politician in Utah will be comparing themselves or whoever they support to Book of Mormon heroes. And everyone else can think the place is even crazier than they already do.
"The truth is elegantly simple. The lie needs complex apologia. 4 simple words: Joe made it up. It answers everything with the perfect simplicity of Occam's Razor. Every convoluted excuse withers." - Some guy on Reddit called disposazelph