Sacred Restrooms

[Hagoth]

I was discussing the new transgender bathroom policy with my son. He said, "why do they have a specific bathroom policy for transgender members but not for registered sex offenders?" Whoa. I love moments of clarity.

I think this one may finally push Mrs. Hagoth over the edge. It is difficult enough being an LDS mother of a transgender daughter without them throwing these kinds of knives at you. She said, "why are they doing this now?" I said, "because Oaks feels himself coming into power and can't wait to start flexing his hate muscles." She dislikes him almost as much as I do. She actually called him evil.

Back to my son. He said the church is stirring up fear of transgender right now people to fall in line with their beloved politicians.

[moksha]

It is difficult enough being an LDS mother of a transgender daughter without them throwing these kinds of knives at you. She said, "why are they doing this now?" I said, "because Oaks feels himself coming into power and can't wait to start flexing his hate muscles." She dislikes him almost as much as I do. She actually called him evil.

Given President Nelson's precarious health, I doubt this would come from him.

The totality of this new policy against transgender members would suggest the Church has taken a wide step away from the teachings of Jesus and wishes to separate itself from all people with love in their hearts toward others.

Your wife is right about detecting the emanations of evil from this policy. It seems that hatred has been allowed to fester for too long and now the Church has become infected.

Imagine telling any group of people they cannot use the bathroom in your church. Additionally, why would anyone wish to belong to a church like that?

[moksha]

Here is an episode on how Oaks' new transgender policies will shock Mormons into leaving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5TLKq537Gc

[deacon blues]

How sad. Remember it's only been a couple of generations since there were segregated restrooms and water fountains here in "the land of the free and the home of the brave."
Strange how history repeats itself.
Hagoth, tell your children to hang in there. The "excluders" may be shouting now, but "the arc of moral curve of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King/Theodore Parker.

[Hagoth]

Hagoth, tell your children to hang in there.

I think they have no problem with the church making it clear how biggoted they are. It removes from them any uncertainty about whether either of my kids would even entertain the possibility of returning someday. Our family has been essentially excommunicated, at least from God's holy toilets.

[2bizE]

This policy seems like it is coming from Oaks. Maybe he has taken control of the old Nash and is driving it to destruction

[Hagoth]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that they will still be happy to accept tithes and offerings from transgender members.

[alas]

I have ranted before about how the church claims zero tolerance for abuse, and then sends a known teen molester to girls camp with a pickup load of equipment and leaves him totally unsupervised while he is there, and when a girl who is a neighbor says, “I want to ride home with brother molester.” The leaders are fine with a teen riding home with someone they specifically promised to keep away from possible victims. And said molester is unsupervised at church, is allowed to sit next to teens in sacrament meeting, allowed to go to restrooms unsupervised, where all the unsupervised children hangout/hide because they don’t want to go to their Sunday school class.

And now it will escort a teen girl, who happened to be born male, and force her into the men’s restroom, where the older guys can beat her up for daring to not want to be a man. And some big burly guy with a beard to his belly button who was born female, will now be escorted and forced into the women’s restroom, while all the women leave screaming.

Have these asshats ever even met a transgender? Well, I have. My daughter and her wife live in the same house with the person born as my DIL’s younger brother, who now I can no longer even imagine as a guy. But she is now terrified to ever visit Utah again, because public buildings and church buildings she has no safe place to go to the restroom. Once a transgender person transitions, with hormones and surgery, they should NOT be going into the restroom of the gender assigned at birth. And what if their gender was ambiguous at birth and the only reason they were assigned to be a girl is that it is easier to “correct” an intersex person into female. So, they could have been a badly formed boy, turned surgically into a girl to begin with. Or a girl turned into a boy because the parents preferred a son, and the child was born with both a “penis” and a vagina. But girl parts turn into boy parts if exposed to too much testosterone.

Back in ancient history when I was doing my graduate work in social work, in one of my classes on human sexuality we saw this film. They were still called transsexuals back then, and yeah it was before some of y’all were born. But this film showed an interview with this guy, mustache, Adam’s apple = guy. The guy was weird, just wrong somehow. He was being interviewed as to why he wanted sex reassignment surgery. Did I mention that there was just something off about the guy? So, anyway, he was approved for the surgery, and laser hair removal, and hormone treatment. Then we saw him/her during the trial period where she was living as a woman. She was dressed as a woman, still had the Adam’s apple, you could see five o’clock shadow, and her hair had a bit of growth and was styled nicely. She had on too much make up, and laughed with the idea that wearing makeup was harder than it looked. She said he was more comfortable this way, but that she gets funny looks because with the thick black beard there was no real hiding it. She said he struggled with trying to cover it with make up, which is part of why she wears so much. She said it was so much easier to make friends with women, even though she said that they can tell I’m really a guy, but they accept me better as a woman than they ever did as a guy. That was when it clicked for me. “His” voice inflections and way of talking was effeminate. As a “he” he talked like a woman, which was what was weird about him. His hand gestures and voice inflections were always female, as well as much of his personality. He was never an acceptable male because he was really a female stuck in a male body. I realized my bad reaction to him as a him, was that it was like a woman dressed up as a man with beard and all, I mean good disguise, but you can’t hide hand gestures and voice inflection. But now, even with the five o’clock shadow and Adam’s apple and deeper voice, she fit. Then we saw her after another year. After all the surgeries, treatments, and hormone therapy. Suddenly she was quite pretty, and her voice had been surgically modified. She said she had mortgaged her mother’s house to pay for everything, but it was worth it because she has never been happier. She laughed about some of the things she has had to get used to, loss of male privilege, wearing high heals. But she loved it, and she showed off her high heeled shoes, by turning her ankle side to side in a very feminine gesture. The only thing left from being male was she was tall for a woman at 6’.

And the first time I met my DIL’s younger brother, it was just brief, and he was only 16, very awkward teen, and oddly intimate with his sister, my daughter’s partner. And how do lesbians normally act around younger brothers anyway, because my lesbian daughter’s relationship with younger brother was different than her straight sister’s. And whatever, teens are allowed to be a bit odd. But then a year ago, after this person transitioned, she drove to Utah to help my daughter and wife move to another state to live with her on the grandmother’s old farm. And she fits better as a woman, because she is very nurturing and sweet. Hasn’t fully transitioned, but still the baby blue finger nails and matching necklace and she has been my DIL’s younger sister all along. That was the “odd intimacy” I saw years ago, sisters. My DIL has been sick, needs a liver transplant, and her sister “mothers” her. She hovers, with “have you taken your meds?” And, “it’s time we go, you are getting tired.” And I have NEVER seen a guy act that way when someone else is sick.

So, when you know a transgender person both before and after they transition, you see how really they were in the wrong body before transitioning. That is the only way I know how to explain it.

I guess *that* is what the church leaders are scared of. Once you see someone you know transition to the opposite gender, and you know it is *right* for them, then you know that all this transphobia is just scared patriarchal chickenshit.

[deacon blues]

That's a new and helpful way of looking at the situation, Alas. You are always a light and not a judge. Thanks.

[wtfluff]

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Have these asshats ever even met a transgender?
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The top 3 may have "met" a transgender person, but my confirmation bias tells me that the don't really "know" a transgender person.

Further down the hierarchy chain I do know a transgender person who was friends with Tom Christofferson, so maybe F. Todd has done more than meet a transgender person? Obviously if he has any empathy for trans people, he doesn't have enough influence, or enough intestinal fortitude to influence the newly published bigotry in the holy handbook...

[2bizE]

I hope there will be an organized protest during GC