Martin Harris' "Cannot Read a Sealed Book" story was completely made up and retrofitted?!

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Martin Harris' "Cannot Read a Sealed Book" story was completely made up and retrofitted?!

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This was mentioned a while back in another thread, but in the Joseph Smith papers you can see that the "I cannot read a sealed book" line was added into the story at a later date... image below:

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So this image is from the 1838 (or slightly later) history and some have argued the * in there was a placeholder, but that makes no sense because there's no reason to leave that out if you're going to add it back in later.

What's even more interesting is that this story was originally written in the 1832 history of the church and does NOT mention the sealed book comment. From the 1832 history:
"Because of his faith… the Lord appeared unto [Martin Harris] in a vision and showed unto him his marvelous work which he was about to do. He immediately came to Susquehanna and said the Lord had shown him that he must go to New York City with some of the characters, so we proceeded to copy some of them.

And he took his journey to the Eastern Cities and to the learned, saying, “Read this, I pray thee.” And the learned said, “I cannot, but if he would bring the plates they would read it.” But the Lord had forbid it, and he returned to me and gave them to me to translate.

And I said “I cannot, for I am not learned.” But the Lord had prepared spectacles for to read the Book; therefore I commenced translating the characters, and thus the prophecy of Isaiah was fulfilled which is written in the 29 chapter concerning the book."

Flash forward to the story as we now are taught it... this was written in 1838 after Martin Harris was excommunicated from the church, meaning that he could not be the one telling the story even though it is written in his voice. Of course Anthon himself does not give this account in his two retellings of the story, and the only other account I'm aware of is from a newspaper that talked with Martin Harris that also doesn't mention the sealed book comment:

"Harris with several manuscripts in his pocket, went to the city of New York, and called upon one of the Professors of Columbia College [presumably Anthon] for the purpose of showing them to him. Harris says that the Professor thought them very curious, but admitted that he could not decypher them. Said he to Harris, “Mr. Harris you had better go to the celebrated Dr. Mitchell and show them to him. He is very learned in these ancient languages, and I have no doubt will be able to give you some satisfaction.” “Where does he live,” asked Harris. He was told, and off he posted with the engravings from the Golden Plates to submit to Dr. Mitchell. Harris says that the Doctor received him very “purlitely,” looked at his engravings — made a learned dissertation on them — compared them with the hieroglyphics discovered [by] Champollion in Egypt — and set them down as the language of a people formerly in existence in the East, but now no more." (Morning Courier & New-York Enquirer, 1831)

Am I missing something here, or is this a massive problem for a story that the church claims fulfills the prophecy in Isaiah? And that doesn't even get into why Joseph Smith's interpretation of Isaiah appears to be wrong as well.
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Here are a few ways I see to interpret the facts.

1. Faithful. This prophecy was literally fulfilled, and someone who knew about it added it after the fact. The Holy Ghost can bring all things to our remembrance.

2. Progressive. The prophecy entered the Saints' consciousness. Before you know it, people were saying Anthon fulfilled it. Someone figured this new fact should be recorded. We'll never know whether it literally happened.

3. Passively disaffected. It almost certainly didn't happen. The only real questions are whether it's a lie or a delusion, and whose.

4. Actively disaffected. Joseph was a liar and this is just another one of his lies.
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Re: Martin Harris' "Cannot Read a Sealed Book" story was completely made up and retrofitted?!

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Wow, the argument that the asterisk was a placeholder to remind them to come back years later and fill in the important prophesy-fulfilling part is hilarious. For one thing, the asterisk doesn't seem to be in the same ink as the original.
jfro18 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:06 pm " — and set them down as the language of a people formerly in existence in the East, but now no more."
A positive way of saying, "this is complete gibberish."
jfro18 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:06 pm Am I missing something here, or is this a massive problem for a story that the church claims fulfills the prophecy in Isaiah?
The truly astounding thing about Mormon history is that EVERY single damn story we were indoctrinated with has turned out to be fantasy. I remember the feeling of "oh for crying out loud, this one's a lie too?" when I started really looking into these things. If you try to talk about any of it to believing members you come across as someone who is so negative about the church or so deceived by Satan that you just assume that everything the church says is a lie. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case.

One more thing of note here is that there is no mention of seer stones. By this point Joseph has swept them completely under the rug and is sticking to the claim of "spectacles."
jfro18 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:06 pm And that doesn't even get into why Joseph Smith's interpretation of Isaiah appears to be wrong as well.
Please proceed.
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Hagoth wrote: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:56 am
jfro18 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:06 pm And that doesn't even get into why Joseph Smith's interpretation of Isaiah appears to be wrong as well.
Please proceed.
Proceed I have... wrote a quick blog post about this with the pictures showing the changes, the caractors issues, why Joseph's interpretation appears wrong anyway, and his pattern of writing himself into the scriptures along with writing his experiences into them (seer stones, treasure digging).

If anyone reads and has any corrections/suggestions also let me know. I did it fairly quickly but felt that it maybe still *too* thorough and will make people gloss over. :lol:

You can see it at https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/ldsblog
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jfro18 wrote: Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:02 am You can see it at https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/ldsblog
Good stuff. Yet another :roll: concerning Joseph Smith.
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