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by Palerider
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joel Osteen and others
Replies: 17
Views: 413

Re: Joel Osteen and others

I happen to be traveling this week and am having breakfast at our hotel. The dining area TV is broadcasting Good Morning America and who should be one of their guests but Joel Osteen. I'm a little taken aback.... I saw him awhile back and noticed, like all of us he was starting to age. But this morn...
by Palerider
Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:45 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: WoW pisses me off!
Replies: 9
Views: 265

Re: WoW pisses me off!

Having just reviewed the WOW with a fresh eye, it seems well intended in it's purpose but as usual, Joseph can't resist the temptation to decorate things up with a little crepe paper... :roll: Since this is a "thus saith the Lord" revelation, Joseph has to go into his "god-speak" mode to make it sou...
by Palerider
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Your Random LDS Questions
Replies: 24
Views: 479

Re: Your Random LDS Questions

Here is random question. If Jesus could come down and atone for all persons, past present and future with one act, why can’t he (or someone already on earth like RMN) just be baptized, for and in behalf of, all those who are dead, and be done with it in one shot? Seems like it could work for the ot...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Holy envy
Replies: 7
Views: 285

Re: Holy envy

Having listened to enough LDS apologist/scholars who try to act unbiased about the church and it's view of the scriptures has made me leery of any "scholar's" critical viewpoint of the Bible in particular. I simply don't accept as unbiased any scholar's conclusions or assumptions about the Bible. Th...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:55 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "The church gets more right than it gets wrong"
Replies: 10
Views: 267

Re: "The church gets more right than it gets wrong"

The church only gets four things right. And they are only partially "right"....In my opinion. Further, those errors in theology lead to more errors in all of the church's doctrines that flow from them. 1. God does exist. 2. Christ is the promised Messiah. 3. There was a partial apostacy from the tea...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: It's complicated-and this is why.
Replies: 4
Views: 193

Re: It's complicated-and this is why.

......It was a reference of convenience( misrepresentation ) that lent a more sophisticated ( believable ) feeling to the translation. Christians knew of the Urim and Thummim from the bible, where they were connected to the high priest and receiving revelation. Particularly for newer converts, that...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Your Random LDS Questions
Replies: 24
Views: 479

Re: Your Random LDS Questions

Oh...I just had a little shudder and a small wave of nausea when I read " green tea ice cream"....😝 My daughter went to a foreign food store recently to get some mochi balls ice cream and she brought me a quart of green tea ice cream. Not bad, but it is not up there with espresso, dulce de leche, o...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Flat Earth Documentary
Replies: 22
Views: 581

Re: Flat Earth Documentary

Couldn't this issue be solved by permitting one of the most trusted advocates to go up in a spacecraft or the ISS and do a space walk?

He/she could come back and testify that they had seen the spherical earth with more than just his "spiritual eyes"... 8-)
by Palerider
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:47 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Your Random LDS Questions
Replies: 24
Views: 479

Re: Your Random LDS Questions

Do any of you have random LDS-related questions you would like to share and hopefully the knowledgable people on this forum could answer it for you? Or for you, gospel experts, do you have a question to stump the rest of us? I will start: Will LDS people accrue Celestial Kingdom demerits for eating...
by Palerider
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Australian article on worthiness interviews
Replies: 8
Views: 326

Re: Australian article on worthiness interviews

Those two men look like twins. In fact, when I looked at the first photo, I thought it was the same person (double exposure). The Mormons have just over 60,000 adherents in Australia, according to 2016 Census data. I'm surprised. I thought they had more members there. I find my son's words to be cl...
by Palerider
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:45 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pope and RMN to meet today
Replies: 46
Views: 1040

Re: Pope and RMN to meet today

The battle is over. The church has officially lost control of its message. https://i.redd.it/whvmhvmykkl21.png I really don't care for this type of degrading mockery!!!! At least Colonel Sanders provided real food in exchange for your money..!! ;) 9cd88d15e30c7f0e9eeac67738101f3d--kentucky-fried-ch...
by Palerider
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:55 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: John Taylor's (alleged) 1886 revelation on polygamy/everlasting covenant?
Replies: 10
Views: 281

Re: John Taylor's (alleged) 1886 revelation on polygamy/everlasting covenant?

Yet have not great numbers of my people been negligent in the observance of my law and the keeping of my commandments, and yet have I borne with them these many years;...... .....and furthermore, it is more pleasing to me that men should use their free agency in regard to these matters.... Oh, this...
by Palerider
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pope and RMN to meet today
Replies: 46
Views: 1040

Re: Pope and RMN to meet today

Makes you wonder how many different entities his Eminence, Mr. Russell M. Nelson will be "receiving" today..... Oh, that's right.....LDS GAs only meet with each other to talk business, because no one of real importance wants to talk to them unless it's around election time... :shock: president-monso...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The reality of bias, co-dependency and spiritual immaturity
Replies: 3
Views: 118

The reality of bias, co-dependency and spiritual immaturity

A TBM friend of mine posted this on his Facebook page. As I read through it the thoughts of how: 1. A members' bias can make the church say anything they want in order to get them to agree with their pet peeves. 2. The silliness of the church to even be involved with this sort of thing. 3. The immat...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pope and RMN to meet today
Replies: 46
Views: 1040

Re: Pope and RMN to meet today

What do you think the pope will do with his gifts from RMN? Throw them in the trash? I'm betting the Catholic church has a huge storage facility (think Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark) where this sort of thing is exiled to oblivion. But no sweat! Church members are glad to see their tithi...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joel Osteen and others
Replies: 17
Views: 413

Re: Joel Osteen and others

I enjoy Ravi Zacharias for the most part. He takes more of an intellectual apologist's approach to Christianity. He's one of the very very few non-mormon preachers who have been invited to speak at the Mormon Tabernacle. I think the other one was Dale Moody back in the 1940's? Ravi and Dr. David Jer...
by Palerider
Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:11 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pope and RMN to meet today
Replies: 46
Views: 1040

Re: Pope and RMN to meet today

From RMN twitter: "Today President M. Russell Ballard and I met with His Holiness Pope Francis at the Vatican. He is a wonderful, gracious man. We have much in common. The differences in doctrine are real—and they’re important—but they’re not nearly as important as the things we have in common." ht...
by Palerider
Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pope and RMN to meet today
Replies: 46
Views: 1040

Re: Pope and RMN to meet today

Oh ya'll… This is so embarrassing :oops: Look what Rusty gave him... Oh I can't even... A cheap a$$ framed copy of Fam Proc And a Jesus statute. 'Cause the Pope doesn't have enough of those. I mean he only lives in the F-ING Vatican. giftsfromDI.png Hey!!! Quit yer bitchin'.... Can't you see it's b...
by Palerider
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:55 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pope and RMN to meet today
Replies: 46
Views: 1040

Re: Pope and RMN to meet today

I have a feeling it's a much bigger deal for Pres. Nelson than for the pope. Yeah..... what's that old saying? "If the mountain won't come to Muhammad, then Muhammad must go to the mountain." I'm at a loss to explain why the Pope has never come to Salt Lake seeking an audience with any Mormon proph...
by Palerider
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:27 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Question about LDS Church
Replies: 27
Views: 968

Re: Question about LDS Church

It's incredibly shallow to think that it is in any way a reflection on the legitimacy of your Church because some of the members happen to become famous - after all, there are way more famous Scientologists than Mormons - does that make Scientology more legitimate than whatever we call the Church t...