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by Palerider
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:47 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Strange things in the Bible
Replies: 4
Views: 90

Re: Strange things in the Bible

Having raised four children, I wouldn't even raise either of these subjects with my kids until they were six or seven years old. Or if they happen to bring it up themselves.

Three years old? Kinda young there....

But that's just me.
by Palerider
Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The core of my mormon trauma
Replies: 11
Views: 271

Re: The core of my mormon trauma

This sounds painful. And hard to deal with as well. It also sounds like unfulfilled expectations. Unfulfilled expectations usually arise when we misjudge the capability of something/someone we've invested in and only now see that the results aren't what we thought they would be. A quick analogy. Mos...
by Palerider
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:08 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Do You Love the Lord?
Replies: 15
Views: 385

Re: Do You Love the Lord?

Later he talked about how the bishopric staffs the ward, and asked "If you love the Lord, how can you say no to a calling from him?" Because, you know, he speaks for God himself. That even turned my ultra-conforming DW off...........But ultimately he wants the members to take orders rather than dec...
by Palerider
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:42 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Houston we have a problem !
Replies: 16
Views: 889

Re: Houston we have a problem !

moksha wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:41 pm
F.C.?
Faith crisis.

I'm thinkin' 8-)
by Palerider
Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:53 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: It's not even wrong
Replies: 19
Views: 633

Re: It's not even wrong

One thing the story of Laban's death reinforces is obedience. If God says it, you do it. In some ways I don't have a problem with this. But where something this extreme is required so should be the revelation demanding it. It would have to be rock solid. God, you want me to kill this person you're g...
by Palerider
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Universal Resurrection confusion
Replies: 19
Views: 447

Re: Universal Resurrection confusion

Mormon's believe in a universal resurrection, which includes plants and animals. As I recall, they also believe that the same body which you die in is what will be resurrected--IE, the same cells and material, etc. This may be a bit of a misrepresentation of the Mormon idea or concept of resurrecti...
by Palerider
Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Administration of the sacrament
Replies: 10
Views: 247

Re: Administration of the sacrament

Deacons can only pass the sacrament. Actually, I would agree with this. Technically the priests administer the sacrament. The deacons and priests are doing the menial prep and passing. But that's the TBM point of view. In reality the church has perverted the sacrament by eliminating the use of "fru...
by Palerider
Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?
Replies: 17
Views: 489

Re: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?

I think the story is that the note basically said that the members in Nauvoo were saying they felt abandoned that he left that defenseless and that they thought he was a coward. I don't know how reliable sources are on that - I need to see if I can find those for you. I've heard the same. I believe...
by Palerider
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:24 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Burial in temple clothes
Replies: 34
Views: 759

Re: Burial in temple clothes

Reuben hat on. I want to be drawn and quartered after my death to make it harder for Literal Jehovah to raise me. I've mentioned to DW many times that if I go first I want to be cremated. She does not take it well, which at first I just didn't really make the connection that it's because she's been...
by Palerider
Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A New Model for the Future?
Replies: 11
Views: 359

Re: A New Model for the Future?

I wonder what you were thinking might be included? 1. Belief in Christ? Belief in God? 2. Belief and study of Biblical scriptures? What/who determines doctrine? 3. Would donations be encouraged? Who determines usage? 4. Is a correlated belief structure always a bad thing? 5. How are people handled w...
by Palerider
Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "Thirst for my blood..."
Replies: 20
Views: 641

Re: "Thirst for my blood..."

Not sure it is much of an evolution from “give me money for my pretended ability to find treasure” to “give me money because I have this mportant scripture” to “give me power, so I can make you give me money.” But hey, if you see evolution in that ;) :twisted: But seriously, I see both his extreme ...
by Palerider
Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood
Replies: 10
Views: 299

Re: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood

My biggest question is why Rigdon would specifically seek out Joseph Smith to deliver the book. If the theory is correct it looks like he needed someone other than himself, who appeared to have special gifts to deliver the book and then recede into to the background? I guess Joseph might have fit t...
by Palerider
Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:32 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood
Replies: 10
Views: 299

Re: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood

Sidney Rigdon had been "prophecying" to his congregation in Kirtland that a "restoration" was imminent and that a book of scripture was about to come forth that would be instrumental in that restoration of the Gospel. This was some time before he had supposedly met Smith. Wow, this is fascinating P...
by Palerider
Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "Thirst for my blood..."
Replies: 20
Views: 641

Re: "Thirst for my blood..."

And that's where Mormon doctrine came from. Joseph made numerous mentions of blessings and power with which the church would be endowed from on high. He had a bit of a plan worked out in conjunction with Sidney Rigdon, Oliver Cowdery and others. See D&C: "10 That they themselves may be prepared, an...
by Palerider
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:54 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "Thirst for my blood..."
Replies: 20
Views: 641

Re: "Thirst for my blood..."

My take on Joseph was that he was intrigued with new idea and collected them like an insect collection, hundreds and hundreds of new idea from all over. But since he was clogging up his brain with all these fun new ideas, he didn’t stop to analyze any of them, sort them, or see how they fit in his ...
by Palerider
Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood
Replies: 10
Views: 299

Re: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood

I didn’t know this little tidbit about Rigdon telling his congregation about a restoration and a book before he supposedly met Smith. Begins to sound like he was in on it from the beginning. I did know there were writing analysis of the BoM and parts of it showed him as author. Which has always bee...
by Palerider
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood
Replies: 10
Views: 299

Re: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood

Are you suggesting Rigdon was an opportunist? It seems that there were a lot of these guys in early Mormonism. Maybe not an opportunist but he held strong views about how a "restored" church would look. One of those views was what some would call communistic in that he felt the true church should h...
by Palerider
Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood
Replies: 10
Views: 299

Re: History between JS, Rigdon, & Cowdery; BofM and Priesthood

Sidney Rigdon had been "prophecying" to his congregation in Kirtland that a "restoration" was imminent and that a book of scripture was about to come forth that would be instrumental in that restoration of the Gospel. This was some time before he had supposedly met Smith. So he had an entire congreg...
by Palerider
Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Bizarre, Paranoid Fantasies
Replies: 21
Views: 692

Re: Bizarre, Paranoid Fantasies

Hagoth wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:18 am
...... "hey, if that works for you..." In retrospect, that was an ideal diffusing response, although a bit dismissive.
I like it!! 8-)
by Palerider
Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Whistle Blower Files IRS Complaint
Replies: 166
Views: 6154

Re: Whistle Blower Files IRS Complaint

Maybe its just me and my cynical mind, but I think most (not all) charitable acts are masturbatory in some form or another. This may be true in some cases but as you say, it's certainly not in all. There are people who when they see others suffer they want to help out of the goodness or compassion ...