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by Palerider
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Shift in direction of church giveaways
Replies: 7
Views: 148

Re: Shift in direction of church giveaways

Looks like they're bending as low as the JWs and other cultish wannabe religions. I've noticed the JWs do the same thing in their advertising. Try to get you hooked before you find out who you're really dealing with. Doesn't this really signify an organization that is covertly ashamed that they can'...
by Palerider
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:00 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mass disclosure
Replies: 51
Views: 1007

Re: Mass disclosure

This whole thing reminds me of a meeting our Bishopric had where we were discussing a family who was having difficulties in our ward. Our ward high counselor was in attendance and when we said there were things we knew were happening but other things we weren't sure of with this family, the High Cou...
by Palerider
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Bishopric -> EQP: And I feel.... numb.
Replies: 19
Views: 484

Re: Bishopric -> EQP: And I feel.... numb.

I'm betting your wife is a wonderful person. So many Mormons are. The majority are really good people. I just don't get why she would think that living a lie is what's best for you. She probably doesn't even realize she's doing it. My guess is that most women really don't want to suffer the embarras...
by Palerider
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Emma - Victim or Co-Conspirator?
Replies: 14
Views: 376

Re: Emma - Victim or Co-Conspirator?

I've gone on the same rollercoaster regarding Emma. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but then I read stuff like her last interview with her son, Joseph lll and I have to say she was more than willing to misrepresent the truth in order to save her son the embarrassment of having a polygami...
by Palerider
Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:03 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Silver fox is coming!
Replies: 10
Views: 374

Re: Silver fox is coming!

Don’t kid yourself - he’s as Church broke as the rest of them. Yep. After being raised to adore the Q15 and then actually becoming one, the huge ego trip and prestige are probably impossible for Uchtdorf to overcome. Regardless of what he might suspect in his heart of hearts is true. Plus the 1st. ...
by Palerider
Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Encouraging words
Replies: 7
Views: 207

Re: Encouraging words

It seems to me that the real problem here is that the Mormons are the ones who are saying you can't be "exalted" without their extra special, superduper authorized ordinances. The Baptist minister is actually being quite generous in light of the Mormon doctrine that declares he and his kind will not...
by Palerider
Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Encouraging words
Replies: 7
Views: 207

Re: Encouraging words

deacon blues wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:18 pm
I believe God loves us more than we can understand, and is powerful enough to save us if want to be saved.
+1 ;)
by Palerider
Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Silver fox is coming!
Replies: 10
Views: 374

Re: Silver fox is coming!

Don't know whether you could attend the leadership meeting I'm sure they will have on Saturday night but if Uchtdorf does like Henry B. Eyring and opens it up for questions, I would LOVE to have a do over on that! They'd run me out of the chapel... :) "Elder Uchtdorf, do you think as historian Richa...
by Palerider
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:52 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New AP headline: Mormon church warning: Beware of those fancy coffee drinks
Replies: 9
Views: 359

Re: New AP headline: Mormon church warning: Beware of those fancy coffee drinks

Interesting that NBC gives a slight nod to the "only call us COJCOLDS" demand and then proceeds to use the infamous "Mormon" nomenclature for the rest of the article. That MUST give GAs a headache when they see that nobody really takes them seriously. It's kind of like they're saying, "Come on. You'...
by Palerider
Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:38 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Sea Legs
Replies: 19
Views: 380

Re: Sea Legs

I have been somewhat interested in Ostler's book also for the reasons Graey elegantly explained. It's a good message, but until we hear it in general conference, it will just be this nice set of optional suggestions that local leaders will largely ignore. It sounds like Brother Ostler has comprehen...
by Palerider
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:17 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Addiction: Everything we think about it is likely wrong
Replies: 4
Views: 172

Re: Addiction: Everything we think about it is likely wrong

Angel wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:42 am

I'm not Mormon anymore, but I don't drink alcohol due to my family history.
👍
by Palerider
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Ed Smart comes out as gay
Replies: 22
Views: 585

Re: Ed Smart comes out as gay

The father of Elizabeth Smart has come out as gay. A very good article in the Deseret news explains. Interesting, it speaks of him going through a change of beliefs (in the church it seems) that led to him being able to come out. Discuss. https://www.deseret.com/2019/8/15/20807894/ed-smart-father-o...
by Palerider
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Addiction: Everything we think about it is likely wrong
Replies: 4
Views: 172

Re: Addiction: Everything we think about it is likely wrong

I have a close nephew who is in medicine, currently working on his doctorate and is an addict. You would be shocked to find out how many in the field of medicine suffer from addiction. He and I have discussed this issue at great length. Yes, there are genetic predispositions to addiction but what th...
by Palerider
Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: People Investigates: Cults
Replies: 11
Views: 582

Re: People Investigates: Cults

THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF SATAN'S IMITATIONS OF THE TRUTH!!!

He wants you to read this stuff so you will compare it to what Joseph did (in complete righteousness) and begin to lose faith in him.

Remember, Satan is very, very crafty and smart and stuff. Don't be fooled. ;)
by Palerider
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:55 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 35
Views: 1194

Re: The Letter.

This is good. I have found it difficult for most people to separate "the church" and "how to live life." To most TBMs, there is no difference. The church dictates how you live, and you simply cannot discuss life choices without the church being the main factor in those choices. Further, any choices...
by Palerider
Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Modesty Requirements for Youth Conference
Replies: 10
Views: 268

Re: Modesty Requirements for Youth Conference

I know of a couple of reported stories of girls at girls camp trying to swim in oversized T-shirts and shorts (as required by leaders) and getting bogged down to the point they had to have a leader rescue them from near drowning. The big loose T-shirts the girls wear (are forced to wear) over swim ...
by Palerider
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:22 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 35
Views: 1194

Re: The Letter.

WTFluff, this probably doesn't apply in your situation, but for others who might be in a similar situation with younger parents/siblings: Tell them this: The highly respected Stephen R. Covey used to say that if an individual can't fully and empathetically understand the other person's point of view...
by Palerider
Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New lawsuit filed against church for deceptive foundational claims
Replies: 8
Views: 350

Re: New lawsuit filed against church for deceptive foundational claims

This same topic came up for discussion on the "Mormon dialogue" website. The first thing that stood out to me like a huge sore thumb was how many of the apologists over there turned out to be lawyers!!! They were all saying that in their legal opinion the suit doesn't stand a chance. I wondered if a...
by Palerider
Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mortality as Going to College Metaphor
Replies: 5
Views: 205

Re: Mortality as Going to College Metaphor

Most metaphors have limited application and this one bothered me because it seemed that some students didn't even have to go to school. (babies that died before accountability) ..... Did this metaphor ever have meaning for you? I still believe in this analogy to an extent. But you're right, the "in...
by Palerider
Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Recommended Reading List
Replies: 31
Views: 15643

Re: Recommended Reading List

Haven't read the entire book but I think No Man Knows My History by Fawn M. Brodie isn't a bad place to start either. She is decidedly critical and unflinching in her portrayal of Joseph Smith but most of what she writes is well documented. Her description of Joseph translating with the rock in the ...