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by Palerider
Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 38
Replies: 9
Views: 141

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 38

I don't see the chicken thing as a problem. I think it was worthwhile to leave the ancient Nephites/Lamanites in the dark wondering what a chicken is/was because as we all know, the BofM was written for OUR DAY see. This is just further proof that the BoM is true. We are the ones who know what chick...
by Palerider
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 37
Replies: 4
Views: 216

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 37

I remember a FARMS explanation that the reason there is no evidence for these massive earthquakes is that they didn't change the topography in any way, they merely broke individual rocks and broke up the ground at the small scale level. This is only partially correct. The topography was actually ch...
by Palerider
Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why can't LDS folk have normal relations with others
Replies: 7
Views: 292

Re: Why can't LDS folk have normal relations with others

The obligation felt by TBMs which is brought on by the full "buy in" of the temple endowment is extremely controlling. If a member doesn't try to introduce the church they're not fulfilling their temple obligation. Their "forever family" could be at risk. I'm sure I made some real mistakes with othe...
by Palerider
Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Baptismal confirmation and priesthood
Replies: 6
Views: 294

Re: Baptismal confirmation and priesthood

I think the church assumes the ancient Apostles were the only ones with priesthood authority to give the gift of the Holy Ghost and their authority was not accompanied by the "Aaronic" priesthood as an appendage as in today's church. The pseudopigraphical 3rd Nephi 18:37 kind of confirms this. "And ...
by Palerider
Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:55 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Prayer Why Bother
Replies: 16
Views: 528

Re: Prayer Why Bother

I think the church teaches a naive concept of prayer and God's intention for what He wants us to learn from this existence. Firstly, I don't think he ever intended for this to be a painless experience. That would defeat the appreciation gained and the meaning given to what Eternity really is. So if ...
by Palerider
Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mormonism says "ancient of days" is Adam - most others say it's God. Thoughts on that?
Replies: 8
Views: 278

Re: Mormonism says "ancient of days" is Adam - most others say it's God. Thoughts on that?

Further as do others here, I think there is no doubt the "Ancient of Days" refers to God. How anyone could construe otherwise from the Biblical texts is beyond me. You have to go far afield to make this become Adam.
by Palerider
Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mormonism says "ancient of days" is Adam - most others say it's God. Thoughts on that?
Replies: 8
Views: 278

Re: Mormonism says "ancient of days" is Adam - most others say it's God. Thoughts on that?

Some of the boys over at Mormon dialogue are claiming Sydney Rigdon came up with this and taught it to Joseph, who took it and ran with it. It may also have a connection with doctrinal theories from the Kabbalah. "In formatting them to do so, I came across this statement from the May 1834 edition of...
by Palerider
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:16 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Grit and Mormonism
Replies: 15
Views: 578

Re: Grit and Mormonism

The interesting thing about all that has been said above is that the church heaps praise on it's men (and sometimes women: think Sherie Dew) who have accomplished great things in their lives. I was listening to the introduction of one of the apostles the other day and they were going on about how he...
by Palerider
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:14 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

wtfluff wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:13 am

What am I not seeing here?

Why am I such an idiot?
I can't help you here.


So I think I'm done.
by Palerider
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

I've seen plenty of people of that political persuasion lumping all peaceful protestors in with the rioters and looters. And it would be wrong to do so. Lumping them all together is just wrong. However if one was in the midst of a peaceful protest and anarchists were in the mix, we would expect tho...
by Palerider
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

wtfluff, you should probably not respond to this, bro. Palerider, I love your passion and your love of truth. I rather dislike this... my kids would call it flexing ... of your resignation. It's unlike you to do it. Reuben, I respectfully disagree. When Wtfluff calls my integrity into question as h...
by Palerider
Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

To answer your last question please refer back to my original post on this thread since the answer is already there if you had read just a little more carefully. ;) Hey, you're right, there it is: I just wonder where Mitt's courage was when he could have called out his church leaders before 1978, w...
by Palerider
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

Instead of doing something with real substance that might risk his church standing, he makes symbolic jestures that have no downside. His other option was to sit on his ass and scowl at protesters along with his Republican colleagues. Marching in a rally is a symbolic gesture by everyone who partic...
by Palerider
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:03 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

References to these "numerous" call outs? Was Romney a one of these "lower tier leaders" in the church? Did you publicly "call out" the church for it's racism etc. before 1978? Romney has been a Stake President. Not sure of the date or what his current calling might be. But here's one such situatio...
by Palerider
Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:41 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

Hmm... Can you show me some evidence that Romney was against racial equality before he participated in the march? This question is a bit of a non-sequitur. But I'll try to answer it (again) anyway. Romney had many chances before and after the "revelation" on priesthood to stand up and say it was wr...
by Palerider
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:48 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

I'm not sure what you're hinting at here, but my post was not really directed at Romney. Right, your post wasn't directed towards Romney but good logic has to run in all directions and I thought it applied well to Romney's case which is what the original thread here is about. See Hagoth's response....
by Palerider
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:47 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

I think Romney knew better a long time ago but he chose to stay in the comfort of his culture rather than truly stand up for something when it counted and when it might have caused him some shaming from his religious superiors. I'm not sure what you're hinting at here, but my post was not really di...
by Palerider
Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:47 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 25
Replies: 15
Views: 609

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 25

Hagoth wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:51 am

What if you castrated young men and nailed their genitals to the wall because they were enticing to the young brides that God had promised to you, as in the case of Bishop Snow? What if the prophet of God voiced approval of your actions?
Yeesh...... hadn't heard of this one..... :|
by Palerider
Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on Romney and his March?
Replies: 49
Views: 2325

Re: Thoughts on Romney and his March?

https://i2.wp.com/kathurley.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/knowbetter.jpg?w=500 I think Romney knew better a long time ago but he chose to stay in the comfort of his culture rather than truly stand up for something when it counted and when it might have caused him some shaming from his religious su...
by Palerider
Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:23 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: What To Do About The Police
Replies: 30
Views: 1259

Re: What To Do About The Police

Not that this wouldn't be an interesting topic but I was under the impression that talking politics on the NOM site was discouraged. I feel like we're getting drawn into an arena that could possibly concentrate more on our differences than our commonalities. And people seem to drift easily into disr...