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by Palerider
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: New Year's Indoctrination
Replies: 2
Views: 52

Re: New Year's Indoctrination

The church always has a success story about some "receptive" family that came back to church because someone cared. What they don't realize is the damage done by bugging the other twenty families who just wanted to be left alone and now their entrenchment is even deeper. It's beyond the members' abi...
by Palerider
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:24 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 43
Views: 848

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

Why not "all people are created equal"? I think, using the language of their time, this is what the Founders thought they were saying. As our language has changed and society has progressed (in some ways) it is we who somewhat unfairly find fault in them when there was no intention on their part to...
by Palerider
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 43
Views: 848

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

Not trying to hog the thread here but having finally read the article referenced in the op I'm not sure why the church thought the ERA would damage families? Anybody have any insight on that end?
by Palerider
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 43
Views: 848

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

As I look at the above conversation to this point, it occurs to me that it may be more of a generational issue than a conversation about rights. By all means I am for women having the same rights as men. I have no argument there. The question is more one of understanding the way people of my generat...
by Palerider
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:57 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 43
Views: 848

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

"Man" and "Mankind" are both gendered terms. Just saying. They have only become gendered terms in the recent past. When I was in school (1960's) we were taught that even the term "his" in the proper context was inclusive of the female gender and that we were obligated to see it that way. It was con...
by Palerider
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:54 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 43
Views: 848

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

The phrase "all men are created equal" should easily be seen as signifying "all mankind " which includes women. So both sexes already have equal rights across the board. The phrase "all men are created equal" is not in the United State Constitution but rather the Declaration of Independence. See ab...
by Palerider
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 43
Views: 848

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

I was aware through the time period of what was happening but didn't really study all of the legal ramifications. I wasn't sure why the church was so opposed to the amendment. Still on the other hand, what struck me as critical was that the entire thing seemed redundant. I think everything that wom...
by Palerider
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:45 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Extended Family Relationships
Replies: 6
Views: 335

Re: Extended Family Relationships

I have a daughter-in-law in particular that is more distant knowing that I'm out of the cult. It's funny that she can't see her own tendency to be a gossip monger who is so attached to the Mormon grapevine that it stinks. I absolutely couldn't trust her with a confidence. I know she sees me as a thr...
by Palerider
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 43
Views: 848

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

I was aware through the time period of what was happening but didn't really study all of the legal ramifications. I wasn't sure why the church was so opposed to the amendment. Still on the other hand, what struck me as critical was that the entire thing seemed redundant. I think everything that wome...
by Palerider
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple recommend/ who should judge others
Replies: 18
Views: 455

Re: Temple recommend/ who should judge others

Or am I expecting too much? :| Let's just make this easy: YES , you are expecting too much. Especially for a bunch of old guys with their heads stuck in the 1950's who have spent a lifetime in a tribe that tells them they can do no wrong, and that "judgment" is their job. You did ask... :roll: I wa...
by Palerider
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Hagoth goes down under
Replies: 5
Views: 260

Re: Hagoth goes down under

In the BoM, the character Hagoth sails away on a ship, taking a group with him. If I remember correctly, he comes back, picks up a new group and leaves forever, never to be seen again. Some have supposed Hagoth ventured to New Zealand and the people of the Pacific Islands descend from him. Question...
by Palerider
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple recommend/ who should judge others
Replies: 18
Views: 455

Re: Temple recommend/ who should judge others

I think that “being a product of their time” meant that they were not seeing black people as “children of God”, but seeing them as “those who flunked their first estate”. Therefore, God wanted them punished. If you really look into the religious teachings of the times, they asked religious question...
by Palerider
Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:33 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: It's been a while. What next
Replies: 28
Views: 672

Re: It's been a while. What next

.....You can blast it out to everyone at once, so everything will be on the table, and there will be no tattling or rumors flying between folks who know, and folks who don't. I'm also partial to keeping it simple: Let them know you're done with the Holy Corporation™, and if they'd like details they...
by Palerider
Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:21 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: It's been a while. What next
Replies: 28
Views: 672

Re: It's been a while. What next

There are numerous here that for the sake of family continue to "go along". On the one hand we avoid conflict with family and ward members that way. I don't blame them. You were pretty much roped into the church at an early age and it's not your fault that you're there. At least you have a wife that...
by Palerider
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple recommend/ who should judge others
Replies: 18
Views: 455

Re: Temple recommend/ who should judge others

When we say they're "just speaking as men" or that they were "men of their time" I guess we mean they're only being as malicious as their current cultural climate would permit. And here I thought that having access to God's mind through revelation was what gave men the power to see OUTSIDE of their...
by Palerider
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple recommend/ who should judge others
Replies: 18
Views: 455

Re: Temple recommend/ who should judge others

Case in point: The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power; “Mar 3, 1953 – First Presidency secretary answers Mormon’s inquiry about receiving blood. J Reuben Clark transfusions from African Americans: “The LDS Hospital here in Salt Lake City has a blood bank which does not contain any colored blood....
by Palerider
Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:58 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Gems from open-mic Sunday
Replies: 12
Views: 442

Re: Gems from open-mic Sunday

- The gospel is perfect and beautiful. It is a challenge that we have to rely on ourselves to teach each other the gospel. You see, it's like the gospel in its perfect form is the Mona Lisa. And we are like a bunch of three year olds that only have three crayons, and we are trying to recreate the M...
by Palerider
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:50 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple recommend/ who should judge others
Replies: 18
Views: 455

Re: Temple recommend/ who should judge others

I'm always reminded of the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. (Luke 18) The pharisee thanks God that he's not a sinner. :roll: The publican says, "God have mercy on me a sinner." Jesus said it was the publican who was "justified." :o One of several anti-intuitive teachings of Jesus Christ. M...
by Palerider
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:17 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Tarnish Your Brand in 5 Easy Steps
Replies: 28
Views: 926

Re: How to Tarnish Your Brand in 5 Easy Steps

Corsair wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:04 am
The 20th century saw none of that and so the skepticism of the 21st century is to be expected.
Makes you wonder if even the excommunication whip is losing it's sting.
by Palerider
Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:14 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Close Friends Child Came Home Early from LDS Mission (Stateside)
Replies: 21
Views: 791

Re: Close Friends Child Came Home Early from LDS Mission (Stateside)

I say shame on the leaders who have perpetuated the cultish mission agenda all these years. Toying with young peoples minds and shaming them into going. Like many things in the church it is showing signs of unraveling. Sooner the better I think. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk This puts me in re...