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by Palerider
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Connection to Christianity Waning...
Replies: 17
Views: 241

Re: Connection to Christianity Waning...

Evil_Bert wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:50 pm
Lori Hacking was killed by her husband in 2004.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lori_Hacking
Thanks for the info. It doesn't get much worse than this.
by Palerider
Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:48 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Connection to Christianity Waning...
Replies: 17
Views: 241

Re: Connection to Christianity Waning...

Arcturus wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:13 am

My DW and I were in the same ward as Lori Hacking's in-laws at one point.
I'm sorry, I don't live in the Morcor and I'm unfamiliar with the Hacking issue. Could you update me?
by Palerider
Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:58 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Connection to Christianity Waning...
Replies: 17
Views: 241

Re: Connection to Christianity Waning...

I’ve been listening to a lot of Bishop Shelby Spong recently, and most everything he says resonates with me. I’m a dad and I have kids. I love them more than anything. The moment they were born they felt like they were a part of me. I don’t think I could ever hate them or abandon them no matter wha...
by Palerider
Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If God really mattered to God that everyone believe...
Replies: 6
Views: 148

Re: If God really mattered to God that everyone believe...

Interesting insight from Mrs. Hagoth this morning: "If it really mattered to God that everyone believes in Mormonism wouldn't he have arranged for multiple Joseph Smiths to show up all over the globe telling the same story?" This is why I think Biblical Christianity has a much better chance at "imp...
by Palerider
Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elias and Elijah identity problem
Replies: 12
Views: 368

Re: Elias and Elijah identity problem

From the FAIR article: Joseph Smith was not the only one to understand Elias in this sense Some critics have seen Joseph's ideas above as completely ad hoc: but, he was not the only one to understand Elias in this sense. Alexander Campbell, a noted American clergyman, wrote an attack on the Book of...
by Palerider
Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:35 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Louisa Beaman sealed to Joseph before being baptized in the church???
Replies: 9
Views: 239

Re: Louisa Beaman sealed to Joseph before being baptized in the church???

I found some references to Michael Quinn that contend these are "re-baptisms" which are thought to be a way to prepare for polygamy. So I suppose while this might be a really weird thing, it probably isn't an indication she was never baptized. Just wondering if anyone had ever come across this befo...
by Palerider
Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:19 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Question about LDS Church
Replies: 6
Views: 246

Re: Question about LDS Church

Hagoth wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:21 pm

I think that's what Jesus would do, so the answer is no.
And he's the only one who could accomplish it as well.
by Palerider
Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Louisa Beaman sealed to Joseph before being baptized in the church???
Replies: 9
Views: 239

Re: Louisa Beaman sealed to Joseph before being baptized in the church???

Can't help you with the Loisa Beeman baptism, but I'll lay you odds Joseph never paid for all that lumber brought down river to build the Nauvoo House... ;)
by Palerider
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Question about LDS Church
Replies: 6
Views: 246

Re: Question about LDS Church

I think the church believes it's "a jungle out there" and you need our advise (and possibly even a little support occasionally) to help you lessen the pain that inevitably comes to everyone in this temporal state. Plus, they can help you with that afterlife thing as well. To most LDS and conservativ...
by Palerider
Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:28 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple Clothes
Replies: 16
Views: 429

Re: Temple Clothes

Uh... Since when do all the dudes in the "circle" put their left arm "to the square" when blessing a baby? I don't think it's done purposely as in the temple. But rather my BIL (who is short) noticed his body position while blessing the baby fit similar to the temple instruction. Seems he was searc...
by Palerider
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:05 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple Clothes
Replies: 16
Views: 429

Re: Temple Clothes

Baby was held in the right hand, while left hand was at the square on the guys shoulder to his left. Uh... Since when do all the dudes in the "circle" put their left arm "to the square" when blessing a baby? It's an approximation of the form the arm takes as it rests on the shoulder of the man next...
by Palerider
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple Clothes
Replies: 16
Views: 429

Re: Temple Clothes

What kind of loving "heavenly parent" comes up with something like this, and makes it a requirement for their children to be with them??? This question is why I have to keep riding this hobby horse of mine. Gnosticism! The ancient church really had to fight this at every turn. Doctrines and "specia...
by Palerider
Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:32 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple Clothes
Replies: 16
Views: 429

Re: Temple Clothes

Just doing a little checking. "Meaning of the Scottish Rite Cap “In the Scottish Rite, the caps [indicate] the consecration of one’s physical and spiritual (material and intellectual) attributes to the betterment of humanity. On the one hand, the caps are an inheritance from our chivalric tradition,...
by Palerider
Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:45 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Aunt Wendy epiphany
Replies: 12
Views: 506

Re: Aunt Wendy epiphany

She has no agility when it comes to descriptive adjectives for her current husband. The last thing you want to say about a religious leader is that "it's as if he's been unleashed." Really? "Unleashed"? Only bad things happen when something gets off it's leash. People are chased and bitten. People g...
by Palerider
Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Saints: The Standard of Truth Reviewed
Replies: 13
Views: 338

Re: Saints: The Standard of Truth Reviewed

It seems to me that the church has some lame excuses for why Joseph had to lie about polygamy but I've never read anything documented from him as to why he had to lie. As far as I can tell, the church never admits that he lied. The church makes the argument that the denials were carefully worded an...
by Palerider
Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Saints: The Standard of Truth Reviewed
Replies: 13
Views: 338

Re: Saints: The Standard of Truth Reviewed

I liked the review. I agree that the book really put William Law through the ringer. If he was still alive he could sue them for defamation of character. Maybe some of his descendants might. The sources the book uses to accuse Law of adultery are especially lame- Joseph and Hyrum. :roll: In the sam...
by Palerider
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Saints: The Standard of Truth Reviewed
Replies: 13
Views: 338

Re: Saints: The Standard of Truth Reviewed

I just read and reviewed Saints: The Standard of Truth so that you don't have to. https://untanglingmybrain.blogspot.com/2018/11/saints-standard-of-truth-reviewed.html You're welcome. Excellent review. Church leadership are like an abused spouse. They cannot stop themselves from defending the heino...
by Palerider
Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:35 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Annoying things about Mormon Funerals
Replies: 3
Views: 218

Re: Annoying things about Mormon Funerals

Yep, anything you do as an official function in a MORMON church is under the auspices of MORMON leadership. It's their building, their show and they're in charge. Which is why my mother's funeral didn't take place in one and my brother's didn't take place in one, my father's won't take place in one ...
by Palerider
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 1831 Revelation on Marrying Indians
Replies: 5
Views: 237

Re: 1831 Revelation on Marrying Indians

I think Jacob 2:30 shows Joseph was thinking about plural marriage as early as 1824. That was approximately when Joseph Smith Sr. told Martin Harris about Joseph Jr. and the gold plates. Presumably, the Smiths would have had the BofM story line fairly well developed by then. So one would surmise tha...
by Palerider
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Treasure Digging Podcast
Replies: 5
Views: 300

Re: Treasure Digging Podcast

That was fascinating, Consig. The Steinbeck similarities show how common these beliefs were. I even encountered them on my mission in Texas in the late '70s. If someone reported a ghost sighting people would show up at the spot the next day with picks and shovels. I also enjoyed the discussion of h...