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by Palerider
Mon May 20, 2019 6:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dumbest FairMormon quote ever? Horses and chariots
Replies: 15
Views: 487

Re: Dumbest FairMormon quote ever? Horses and chariots

I've heard this explanation from Fair before and found it very satisfactory. In my own mind I bent this hoop even wider with the thought that the word "chariot" is just a borrowed name that the Hebrew/Egyptian cultures had aqcuired from the diasporan explorers that were scattered to the East Indian ...
by Palerider
Sat May 18, 2019 10:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bruce Porter, Apologist Fireside
Replies: 17
Views: 565

Re: Bruce Porter, Apologist Fireside

All I can say is, there's nothing more dangerous than a salesman who is mis-informed or believes his own crap.
by Palerider
Fri May 17, 2019 6:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Materialism In LDS Culture
Replies: 12
Views: 462

Re: Materialism In LDS Culture

I think this issue is one of the main reasons the book of Job was written. Job had more than just wealth. He had a great family, good fortune and health. All of his friends regarded him as favored by God because of his righteousness. When he lost everything, the automatic assumption by his friends w...
by Palerider
Sat May 11, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Biblical christianity/ attending the Mormon church
Replies: 5
Views: 185

Re: Biblical christianity/ attending the Mormon church

I was raised by a mother who highly valued honesty. She had a highly accurate B.S. meter. She always told me that if I didn't tell the truth things would be much worse than if I had. Especially if she found out about it which was very likely. When I was 15 years of age, three of my friends and I dec...
by Palerider
Fri May 10, 2019 8:27 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Chastity & Celibacy for LDS Gays
Replies: 8
Views: 371

Re: Chastity & Celibacy for LDS Gays

no1saint wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 1:53 am
Fools and horses lead the Church.
Except horses can be taught.... :)
by Palerider
Thu May 09, 2019 9:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dating the BOM and Zedekiah
Replies: 12
Views: 372

Re: Dating the BOM and Zedekiah

Wait....I'm a little confused. If Lehi left in 600 BC, which was 3-4 years before King Zedekiah was placed on the throne, then wouldn't it be impossible for Lehi to know about Zedekiah's reign? He wouldn't have been there for the commencement. Therefore Zedekiah shouldn't be in the BoM at all, right...
by Palerider
Thu May 09, 2019 6:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dating the BOM and Zedekiah
Replies: 12
Views: 372

Re: Dating the BOM and Zedekiah

Just to add to the pot... Nephi states that the brass plates contained many of the holy prophecies until the commencement of the reign of Zedekiah: "And also a record of the Jews from the beginning, even down to the commencement of the reign of Zedekiah, king of Judah." So in order for the brass pla...
by Palerider
Thu May 09, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dating the BOM and Zedekiah
Replies: 12
Views: 372

Re: Dating the BOM and Zedekiah

But my new question is: Did Lehi leave in 600BC as 1st Nephi 2:4 and the whole BOM suggests or sometime around 597-5, as the wikipedia chronology (which must have some scholarly basis) suggests would have been the actual first year of Zedekiah's reign. Some poor apologist out there wants so badly t...
by Palerider
Thu May 09, 2019 8:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: D&C 132 - Celestial Kingdom loophole?
Replies: 16
Views: 388

Re: D&C 132 - Celestial Kingdom loophole?

So glad I don't have to worry about this crap anymore.... :| ..... :) It does seem like the second annointing and tied to polygamy, but the wording is so screwy... This is one of the reasons I know this stuff is phony. Joseph is supposed to be restoring the plain and precious parts of the Gospel, r...
by Palerider
Wed May 08, 2019 8:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: D&C 132 - Celestial Kingdom loophole?
Replies: 16
Views: 388

Re: D&C 132 - Celestial Kingdom loophole?

So glad I don't have to worry about this crap anymore.... :| ..... :)
by Palerider
Wed May 08, 2019 7:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What is True and What Isn't?
Replies: 24
Views: 502

Re: What is True and What Isn't?

Good job Caylee! You successfully ran away from all that uncomfortable and painful cogdis and got sucked right back into the tribe so you didn't have to face all those awful scary facts! The truth is...you are a coward and took the easier path, thus making yourself the perfect poster child for TSCC...
by Palerider
Wed May 08, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What is True and What Isn't?
Replies: 24
Views: 502

Re: What is True and What Isn't?

That is awful and that is exactly the kind of nonsense that makes me hate what the church is doing to doubters. She says, “I couldn’t determine what was from God and what was a crazy idea twisted and created by someone to throw me off. I could no longer discern what was truth and what was deception...
by Palerider
Mon May 06, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No more year wait for sealing after civil marriage!
Replies: 15
Views: 377

No more year wait for sealing after civil marriage!

They are definitely calling this a change in "tradition and policy". http://www.ldsliving.com/Church-Leaders-Eliminate-Year-Long-Wait-Period-for-Temple-Sealing-Following-Marriage/s/90780?utm_source=ldsliving&utm_medium=email Which makes one wonder who's bright idea it was in the beginning or if it w...
by Palerider
Sun May 05, 2019 6:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No "sealings" in the temple, only marriages?
Replies: 8
Views: 648

Re: No "sealings" in the temple, only marriages?

Technically the phrase stating that the couple are "sealed" to one another isn't used. As you stated the officiator does marry them for "time and all eternity", and blessings are sealed upon them both. Just another case where the promises the church puts forth are compromised by the actual verbiage ...
by Palerider
Sun May 05, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today
Replies: 40
Views: 1807

Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Just doing some Biblical study of 1 Corinthians 13 today and looked at a number of different translations. In defining "Charity" in verse five, almost 80% of the translations include the phrase that Charity doesn't keep track of wrongdoings. From King James 2000 edition: " (Charity) Does not behave ...
by Palerider
Sun May 05, 2019 6:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today
Replies: 40
Views: 1807

Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

The new podcast is up regarding the SCMC! https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2019/05/radio-free-mormon-064-spying-for-the-lord/ I decided to call it, "Spying for the Lord." Weird Alma was kind enough to let me use one of his songs to close with. It is dynamite! Looking at this title reminded me th...
by Palerider
Sat May 04, 2019 10:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today
Replies: 40
Views: 1807

Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

After considering the SCMC issue today it just reminds me more and more of the Scientology cult. One begins to realize you're really dealing with a group of paranoid, narcissistic geriatrics. It doesn't matter anymore whether they are lying about what they truly believe or whether they're utterly br...
by Palerider
Thu May 02, 2019 6:42 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church close to finalizing $129 million deal for office high rise in London
Replies: 14
Views: 539

Re: Church close to finalizing $129 million deal for office high rise in London

Mackman wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:20 am
Im sure that will help the poor in London !!!!!! Not.
Right, I'm pretty sure someone is helping themselves. It is important after all to follow the profit. :roll:
by Palerider
Wed May 01, 2019 10:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today
Replies: 40
Views: 1807

Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Consiglieri, that is about as close to sticking your head in the lion's mouth and coming out alive as a person can get. On TV the big cats always look warm and fuzzy. In reality and in person, they can be extremely ferocious. To the church RFM looks like a hyena that needs a good clipping. Can you i...