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by Gatorbait
Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

He got one thing right, and that is truth is truth, regardless of if anyone thinks it is the truth or not. What he got horribly wrong though, was the source of truth. Truth does not depend on a source- it just is- independent of a source. That means if one is to learn the truth from a "decenter from...
by Gatorbait
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Russell M. Nelson Birthday Bash
Replies: 22
Views: 636

Re: Russell M. Nelson Birthday Bash

Tired of the humble brag. So tired of people bragging about their missions, missionaries, temple wed kids, grand kids...but there is no evidence that it is going to stop any time soon. When's the last time you bumped into a friend who you know was a mission president? He can't wait to tell you he wa...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Emma - Victim or Co-Conspirator?
Replies: 16
Views: 578

Re: Emma - Victim or Co-Conspirator?

Pretty hard to make a judgement based on dozens of stories about Joseph's flings with girls, single and married women and a few grandma types thrown in for a smoke screen or the like. If Joseph Smith had affairs- and you can call them whatever you'd like- it is hard for me to imagine that Emma did n...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Truth and Evolution
Replies: 8
Views: 265

Re: Truth and Evolution

Thought provoking article, but I enjoyed your comments more. Thanks. Not to "one up" you, because you did an excellent job with this, but I'm not sure "duped" is the correct word for how a lot of us set as our standard belief system that of Mormonism or Christianity in general. For a lot of us, we h...
by Gatorbait
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:04 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Did not watch one second of conference. Did not miss it.
Replies: 7
Views: 327

Did not watch one second of conference. Did not miss it.

Before my shelf came crashing down about five or six years ago, I used to enjoy parts of conference. Yeah, I know, good time for a nap, pumpernickel choir singing while the camera is zooming in on the three choir members who aren't "white and de-lightsome", same ol' growls and gnashing of teeth from...
by Gatorbait
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Really living the Word of Wisdom
Replies: 12
Views: 468

Re: Really living the Word of Wisdom

Always fun to take swipes at the W of W. My favorite is meat- "to be used sparingly". " Hey Marge, it looks like a famine is here- light up the barbie". That's choice, like there's going to be all this meat around during a famine. The people dying of hunger today, everyday, now- think they have meat...
by Gatorbait
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is there a new word yet?
Replies: 29
Views: 1493

Re: Is there a new word yet?

This is such nonsense. Old senile man doing still another thing to "separate the sheep from the goats". Wait a minute- yowzer- that's a name isn't it- The Church of Sheep and Goats and Senile Snakes This nonsense is going to cost millions of dollars and for what? Because God is pissed that nicknames...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Faith Crisis Report
Replies: 24
Views: 1146

Re: Faith Crisis Report

Wow- just wow. This came out even before the despicable business with the gays and transgender shelf-crushing nightmare that sent a lot of us packing for good, at least in our minds. Wow. This is a good find. Thanks for sharing. There are a lot of brilliant people in the church, but nowadays, a lot ...
by Gatorbait
Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On taking yourself too seriously.
Replies: 1
Views: 266

On taking yourself too seriously.

Marvin J. Ashton was and always has been my favorite general authority and here is why: When he was first called to be an apostle, and this was a long time ago, he was given some advise from Rueben J. Clark, who was at the time in the first presidency. His words were something like this, "Marvin, it...
by Gatorbait
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 4890

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

Sure, there are good things about the LDS church There are quite a few wonderful caring Mormons. Even if they don't call themselves Mormons any more because so and so in a suit says it's a wrong thing to do. The Devil likes it, but God does not. So the man in the suit says. But this church is suppos...
by Gatorbait
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 2nd Commandment
Replies: 19
Views: 872

Re: 2nd Commandment

Many who read this skip on because they don't swear at all, let alone profane in the unthinkable "vain" areas. Hmmm What does it mean? Are all the people who say, "Oh my god" over and over- are they going to burn in hell? Or, how about the "vain" repetition group? "Hey Brigham, we don't want to use ...
by Gatorbait
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:31 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Stop telling the sick and dying to have faith, it isn't helping
Replies: 10
Views: 549

Re: Stop telling the sick and dying to have faith, it isn't helping

Many of us have gone through this sort of thing, and it is thought provoking for sure. If peace and comfort come to those who are nearing the edge of their life, it is no one's business if they wish to take the step of assisted suicide. What the Mormon church or any church has to say about it is non...
by Gatorbait
Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Jensen teaches Epistemology
Replies: 11
Views: 769

Re: Elder Jensen teaches Epistemology

The thing is- no matter what Jensen has to say, it is sort of silly nonsense. 1. If he says he knows the church is true because he paid his tithing and got rich- what about the billions of poor people? Does a loving God not like them because they have never heard of Joseph Smith? Or Jesus? Why are J...
by Gatorbait
Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Jensen teaches Epistemology
Replies: 11
Views: 769

Re: Elder Jensen teaches Epistemology

Seems like throughout the recorded history of mankind, there has almost always been someone who has access to a god and that by following them, you will get closer to god. If you believe the person making the claim, you wish to "know" that the stories that they are telling you are true, even if they...
by Gatorbait
Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The problem of evil and the name of the church
Replies: 12
Views: 991

Re: The problem of evil and the name of the church

Interesting points made here. Sincerely. Going out on a limb here.....firstly, I like Dallin Oaks. I've met with him, spoke with him and he's a fine man in my book. Although I strongly disagree with his points of view, I think he feels the need to draw the proverbial line in the sand. Why is that? T...
by Gatorbait
Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ongoing Kirton and McConkie leaks
Replies: 8
Views: 850

Re: Ongoing Kirton and McConkie leaks

This is an ongoing s**t show. Imagine, if you will, sitting in a new tenant build-out on one of the floors of the Eagle Gate Tower in Salt Lake, and watching general authorities, women with leadership positions, and several apostles enter the office and are ushered to their seats. To the right of th...
by Gatorbait
Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Senior Mission Pressure
Replies: 29
Views: 1722

Re: Senior Mission Pressure

I'm still waiting to hear the dope on the couple that Deacon Blues started this thread with. What's the scoop. How come the lady gave her husband of 40 years the ol' heave ho? Couldn't have had anything to do with a mission for crying out loud. Where'd they go? This could be good. To me, church miss...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Russell M Nelson - God's Conditional Love
Replies: 18
Views: 1172

Re: Russell M Nelson - God's Conditional Love

Everyone wonders about God, but no one knows much about him, though many profess to. I like what the Irish singer Bono had to say about the subject, and I quote," Look, whatever thought you have about God...most will agree that, if there is a God, He has a special place for the poor. In fact, the po...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does anyone have examples of a GA being a bully?
Replies: 31
Views: 2300

Re: Does anyone have examples of a GA being a bully?

I'm about two thirds of the way through the Dialogue article that Reuben referenced. Wow. This gerrymandering, bullying or what ever you want to call it has been going on a long time- probably from the beginning of the Mormon church. The brethren like to put people in their place. How unlike the 13t...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How and when did the word "even" start a declaration for Church Leaders?
Replies: 6
Views: 609

Re: How and when did the word "even" start a declaration for Church Leaders?

Thanks for some interesting ideas. The one I liked best, and I hope not to sound like a jerk again, is the post from fifi de la Vergne referring to the word pompous- which I looked up- because I thought it may be too strong of a word, the way it is said these days, usually added with the term a**h**...