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by Gatorbait
Fri May 22, 2020 2:16 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Whats your favorite mormon koan?
Replies: 11
Views: 451

Re: Whats your favorite mormon koan?

The thing that stuck out in my mind, growing up in a part-member family, was this "time and all eternity-sealed to your family" business. Never made sense. Doesn't make sense. Only thing that does make sense is one person sealed to one person. Or with polygamy- one person sealed to many persons. Tha...
by Gatorbait
Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Holland in GC: 'we must do all we can for the poor and poverty-stricken'
Replies: 9
Views: 853

Re: Holland in GC: 'we must do all we can for the poor and poverty-stricken'

First of all, it is difficult to not like good ol' Holland. Pretty good guy for the most part. Not offensive and snooty at all really. My TBM daughter sent me a link to Holland's talk and I listened to a few minutes of it and couldn't take it any longer. I'm not easily put off, but I'm so sick and t...
by Gatorbait
Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:04 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: So yeh?....what's going on?
Replies: 42
Views: 2156

Re: So yeh?....what's going on?

Watched about a minute of the first talk by Ballard- Jos. Smith story. Reminded me of the movie Beetlejuice where Beetlejuice says something to the effect of, "I've seen "The Exorcist" about 167 times- and it keeps gettin' funnier every time I see it!" Except most of us have heard the Jos. Smith sto...
by Gatorbait
Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: One-upping with Nelson- fast and pray or else
Replies: 11
Views: 621

Re: One-upping with Nelson- fast and pray or else

Read all of your comments and learned something good from each one....which I almost always do. Although I felt my post was nudging too close to the cynicism cliff, I had a bit more room before I tumbled off. Prayer is a beautiful thing and I've nothing against it. If fasting helps, I'm fine with th...
by Gatorbait
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: One-upping with Nelson- fast and pray or else
Replies: 11
Views: 621

One-upping with Nelson- fast and pray or else

Years ago some geezer general authority or the like, my memory fails me and I'm too lazy to look it up, said that if each family in the church held family home evening once a week, no one in their family would leave the church. They'd remain....drum roll, please....faithful. (sigh) Those who gloated...
by Gatorbait
Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mormon God Has Issues
Replies: 7
Views: 828

Re: Mormon God Has Issues

Not very many people know this, but God cares a lot about car keys, lost necklaces (if they were from young women's), and glasses. Did not know about the last one until I heard it first hand from a guy at church, who, through sobs, told us about the miracle of the glasses and how they prayed, found ...
by Gatorbait
Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:41 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: TBM's and LGT
Replies: 15
Views: 1417

Re: TBM's and LGT

Went to Priesthood meeting yesterday....I know....I'm dodging to stones, beer bottles, and busted glass you are hurling at me in your mind, but bear with me, please. First time I'd gone to Priesthood since I stepped away in 2015 after the infamous LGTB nonsense came down that God later changed his m...
by Gatorbait
Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:14 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: My Mandala
Replies: 8
Views: 2514

Re: My Mandala

Thoughtful post, although I had to look up Mandalas to make sure they are what I thought they were....they were not what I had in mind. I thought that they were the beautiful paper lanterns that Buddhists use and have on the ceiling of Buddhists temples that I've been in. As it was explained to me, ...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: TBM's and LGT
Replies: 15
Views: 1417

Re: TBM's and LGT

Not to make an assumption here, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but most of us feel that believing that the BofM is true is a ridiculous approach. First of all, it's been edited a gazillion times. The LDS apologists ignore items that are so far fetched, only an unlearned person person would beli...
by Gatorbait
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Saved as we fake it !
Replies: 8
Views: 559

Re: Saved as we fake it !

Interesting post. Thank you. The thing is, none of us know what lies beyond this life, although we may have ideas. To me it is pointless to rule out any teachings that we don't know about as they may be true. The Mormon church has tried from its inception to claim the only true church nonsense, and ...
by Gatorbait
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Oaks and Reasons for God's Commandments
Replies: 17
Views: 1063

Re: Oaks and Reasons for God's Commandments

Going out on a shaky limb here, so please bear with me. First of all, even though we disagree with Oaks, we probably should not villainize him. After all, he was with the very first group that published the very first volume of "Dialogue, A Journal of Mormon Thought". In a very real sense, he was a ...
by Gatorbait
Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Tithing settlement
Replies: 47
Views: 5644

Re: Tithing settlement

Hermy nailed it.

Extortion is one word that he might have skillfully woven into the fabric of what he said.
by Gatorbait
Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 3180

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

He got one thing right, and that is truth is truth, regardless of if anyone thinks it is the truth or not. What he got horribly wrong though, was the source of truth. Truth does not depend on a source- it just is- independent of a source. That means if one is to learn the truth from a "decenter from...
by Gatorbait
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Russell M. Nelson Birthday Bash
Replies: 22
Views: 1335

Re: Russell M. Nelson Birthday Bash

Tired of the humble brag. So tired of people bragging about their missions, missionaries, temple wed kids, grand kids...but there is no evidence that it is going to stop any time soon. When's the last time you bumped into a friend who you know was a mission president? He can't wait to tell you he wa...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Emma - Victim or Co-Conspirator?
Replies: 16
Views: 1042

Re: Emma - Victim or Co-Conspirator?

Pretty hard to make a judgement based on dozens of stories about Joseph's flings with girls, single and married women and a few grandma types thrown in for a smoke screen or the like. If Joseph Smith had affairs- and you can call them whatever you'd like- it is hard for me to imagine that Emma did n...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Truth and Evolution
Replies: 8
Views: 571

Re: Truth and Evolution

Thought provoking article, but I enjoyed your comments more. Thanks. Not to "one up" you, because you did an excellent job with this, but I'm not sure "duped" is the correct word for how a lot of us set as our standard belief system that of Mormonism or Christianity in general. For a lot of us, we h...
by Gatorbait
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:04 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Did not watch one second of conference. Did not miss it.
Replies: 7
Views: 548

Did not watch one second of conference. Did not miss it.

Before my shelf came crashing down about five or six years ago, I used to enjoy parts of conference. Yeah, I know, good time for a nap, pumpernickel choir singing while the camera is zooming in on the three choir members who aren't "white and de-lightsome", same ol' growls and gnashing of teeth from...
by Gatorbait
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Really living the Word of Wisdom
Replies: 12
Views: 800

Re: Really living the Word of Wisdom

Always fun to take swipes at the W of W. My favorite is meat- "to be used sparingly". " Hey Marge, it looks like a famine is here- light up the barbie". That's choice, like there's going to be all this meat around during a famine. The people dying of hunger today, everyday, now- think they have meat...
by Gatorbait
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is there a new word yet?
Replies: 29
Views: 2187

Re: Is there a new word yet?

This is such nonsense. Old senile man doing still another thing to "separate the sheep from the goats". Wait a minute- yowzer- that's a name isn't it- The Church of Sheep and Goats and Senile Snakes This nonsense is going to cost millions of dollars and for what? Because God is pissed that nicknames...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Faith Crisis Report
Replies: 24
Views: 1697

Re: Faith Crisis Report

Wow- just wow. This came out even before the despicable business with the gays and transgender shelf-crushing nightmare that sent a lot of us packing for good, at least in our minds. Wow. This is a good find. Thanks for sharing. There are a lot of brilliant people in the church, but nowadays, a lot ...