I suspected as much.
Good luck on finding an activity to replace the "temple date." If/when you find one, a bonus should be that it won't be based on fake, creepy, plagiarized masonic rituals.
I suspected as much.
Well, I am considering the Masons as a replacement...
Amazing that you're still with us. That's the kind of thing that could make God smite you right into TK smoothieville.
Theoretically, what duplicitous measures would you recommend for a person wishing to retain their Temple recommend for the sake of their spouse?Corsair wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:45 pmMy recommend expires in July and I expect to renew it yet again. This will be the fourth bishop and third stake president who will not realize my duplicity. I suppose I am simply in the minority as a person who finds this amusing enough to keep up the facade.
This question was for Corsair, but I'll share my former bishop's hints. 1) replace "faith in" and "testimony of" with "hope for," as in, yeah I can always hope for a real prophet, 2) in the questions that ask if you "strive" to do something, put the emphasis on the "strive," as in I strive to attend my meetings but I just can't make myself do it.
Does Mike Norton still do that?
Yeah, I really wouldn't want to crash their exclusive party that they've set up to exclude people like from.
This is one way that I am happy to participate. I know that there is a bit of leadership roulette here too, and some of the donations will probably get beamed up to the mothership anyway, but I know at least some of it goes to help real people in my neighborhood. I wish there were too types of tithing you could choose between: a) building the kingdom, and b) helping people. I used to believe that was what the Humanitarian Fund was but, alas, it seems to be just another avenue for feeding the hungry maw.
My wife and I were just talking about this yesterday. We both settled on the idea that it's okay to say 'yes' to every question because going to the temple is between you and God, not an administrative checklist.
If losing your recommend is going to disrupt your wife's wellbeing, Hagoth, I'd say it's okay to say whatever you need to go to the temple with her for her to be happy. The church has lied "for the Lord" for their various reasons. What permits you from doing and continuing to do the same? If there is a God who really cares about how we feel, then I imagine God cares about you going to the temple with your wife, if the net outcome of temple attendance is a positive for you both. I'd say renew it for your wife.Hagoth wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:55 amI am about to have my temple recommend expire for the first time since I got married 30 years ago. This is a very bitter-sweet experience for me. My sweet wife, even though she is very nuanced and even defiant in the face of many LDS teachings, cherishes the temple as a place of spiritual refuge and has been very appreciative of my efforts to maintain a recommend even though she accepts that I am no longer a believer...
It's not a bad approach and it's certainly everyone's choice as to how to spend their money. But, Corsair's perspective of it as a transactional arrangement to keep up appearances and get something desired in return makes more sense than the idea that it's actually a productive gift to help others. Clearly the church considers anything it receives as very fungible, for it to use for any purpose it wants, but mostly for hoarding. If you donate it doesn't mean more help is going to go to local people (or anyone really) and if you don't donate there will be less assistance. With most charitable organizations more donations mean more services or help they can give. Not so with the Church. About the only one benefiting from donating to FO are local leaders who are hounded less when the amount coming in is greater than the outgoing.Hagoth wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:47 amThis is one way that I am happy to participate. I know that there is a bit of leadership roulette here too, and some of the donations will probably get beamed up to the mothership anyway, but I know at least some of it goes to help real people in my neighborhood. I wish there were too types of tithing you could choose between: a) building the kingdom, and b) helping people. I used to believe that was what the Humanitarian Fund was but, alas, it seems to be just another avenue for feeding the hungry maw.
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