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by Angel
Fri May 14, 2021 4:13 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Rise of the "Nones"
Replies: 8
Views: 442

Re: Rise of the "Nones"

As for what I think actually awaits us after death? I suspect it is a whole lot of nothing because I can't see how any other options would work, though I've never been there so I won't be too surprised if I'm wrong. Length contraction, time dilation, special relativity - some strange games can be p...
by Angel
Mon May 03, 2021 4:19 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Rise of the "Nones"
Replies: 8
Views: 442

Re: Rise of the "Nones"

That makes a lot of sense. I think there is a similar "rise of the nones" going on in politics where people are independent, but they almost always vote with one party or the other because their values are still similar to one group, but they dislike the group itself. I think doing volunteer work a...
by Angel
Mon May 03, 2021 4:00 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: More than one way to Marry
Replies: 4
Views: 387

Re: More than one way to Marry

... I asked why he thought the relationship was better and all he could come up with was “either of us can get up and leave at anytime....” Sometimes we do things out of obligation, or responsibility, and I agree it's good to be dependable, honorable. Other things we do voluntarily- if you had free...
by Angel
Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:56 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: More than one way to Marry
Replies: 4
Views: 387

More than one way to Marry

Reading through old posts, remembering one thing that saved my marriage and sanity, was re-defining what "marriage" was, seeing DH as a roommate, as an old friend, and no longer defining them in my mind as a "husband". I took off wedding ring, found a new way to approach and think through the whole ...
by Angel
Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:29 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why go to a "Membership Council?"
Replies: 23
Views: 1016

Re: Why go to a "Membership Council?"

I could be wrong about this, but I thought at some point in the past the Church had formulated guidelines to protect the rights of those undergoing the destructive procedure of excommunication. It turns out that this was not a hallucination, there actually was a formal procedure to protect the accu...
by Angel
Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:14 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Rise of the "Nones"
Replies: 8
Views: 442

Re: Rise of the "Nones"

I identify as "spiritual but not affiliated". It allows me to escape the stigma of athiest, escape labels of fence-sitting ignorant agnostic (not true labels, but it feels like that is the opinion of many), escape any labels of religious groups, and not offend any religious groups as being 'anti-god...
by Angel
Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:17 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Who’s next on the excommunication list?
Replies: 25
Views: 1032

Re: Who’s next on the excommunication list?

I struggle with understanding why people do not just remove their name. For most people, I think you're right. Very few of us will ever gain enough visibility to be called into the Inquisition of Love. For those who do attain that status I think there is something valuable in forcing the church to ...
by Angel
Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Direct link to Plural marriage in Nauvoo
Replies: 11
Views: 566

Re: Direct link to Plural marriage in Nauvoo

Polygamy to gender roles are reason for things like: https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women-equality/5835 Utah and Idaho dead last by a long shot for women's rights from everything from income gap, leadership gap, education gap, to no political representation. Women are taught it ...
by Angel
Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Who’s next on the excommunication list?
Replies: 25
Views: 1032

Re: Who’s next on the excommunication list?

I struggle with understanding why people do not just remove their name. (This is what I did, fairly painless process). For all the complaining, do those who stay think some part of it is true? which part do they think is true? Is it only possible to change culture from within the organization and no...
by Angel
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:00 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The true order of tithing
Replies: 21
Views: 950

Re: The true order of tithing

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by Angel
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Did Natasha Helfer-Parker get Exed?
Replies: 82
Views: 3361

Re: Did Netasha Helfer-Parker get Exed?

For anyone from Kansas, or just spread the word... I spent a weekend with her at a Mormon Stories retreat (with TBM husband at the time). My then-TBM husband could not handle anyone at MS except Natasha, that was the one person there he was impressed with and therefore a lifesaver for me. Hubbie is ...
by Angel
Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormonism my way ?
Replies: 12
Views: 616

Re: Mormonism my way ?

Too difficult now to get excommunicated for apostasy. They expect you to resign if you are merely unbelieving. It takes work and leading others out of the fold as a podcaster, stop youth interviews, or ordain women organizer to get exed. ... Natasha Helfer is getting ex's soon - has been called to ...
by Angel
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:22 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormonism my way ?
Replies: 12
Views: 616

Re: Mormonism my way ?

While it is tempting to inflict uncomforted and pain on others as they have done unto us, it is best to take the high road. I was the first out in my family, did not attend church with them, used love and logic (did have those hard conversations with family - the people I cared about). Best wishes t...
by Angel
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:02 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Just when I think I've heard it all !!!
Replies: 13
Views: 655

Re: Just when I think I've heard it all !!!

always loved this story An old man and his dog were walking down a dirt road for quite sometime when they finally came to a beautiful marble wall with a golden gate. The person standing guard was dressed in a white robe and said: "Welcome to Heaven". It was then the old man realized he and his dog w...
by Angel
Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A So-Called Beloved Daughter
Replies: 17
Views: 990

Re: A So-Called Beloved Daughter

Thank you all for your kind words and support. I think I have reached a point where I’ll participate in church when I feel comfortable to do so and will no longer pretend to be someone I am not. I will focus more on Christ (I feel studying the New Testament brings me closest to him). If asked to te...
by Angel
Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2020 numbers
Replies: 35
Views: 1804

Re: The 2020 numbers

Things are changing. Church memberships are falling, but non-affiliated spirituality might be rising? What do you think? Is moral purpose and community now better supported through reformation movements - are civil rights protests and volunteer groups establishing themselves as the new spiritual co...
by Angel
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:52 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A So-Called Beloved Daughter
Replies: 17
Views: 990

Re: A So-Called Beloved Daughter

Big hugs Hallew!! I used to play so many mind games trying to justify the role of women for my daughters , for myself. It took a bishopric member molesting one of my kids (he is now in jail) and then observing how everyone else reacted to the situation to wake me out of the trance I was in. The prie...
by Angel
Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:41 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2020 numbers
Replies: 35
Views: 1804

Re: The 2020 numbers

Something I recently posted on fb: Happy Monday! Hope everyone had a good weekend. It has been interesting to see how COVID has changed the holidays, and finding what will be the "new norm" as vaccines role out. Some interesting data coming in, and comparisons with past pandemics. It was said that t...
by Angel
Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:15 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Forced Turning Point
Replies: 143
Views: 7374

Re: Forced Turning Point

Whenever possible, I will request that parents be in the room to share the interview process with their children - the same goes for my counselors. No one-on-one interviews. Good. Though you may need to make room for times that a kid needs to discuss something they aren't comfortable saying in fron...